Reply With QuoteUhh what did Mosley ever do that makes him greater then Floyd? He beat DLH, yeah was a great win, but aside from that? He got his ass beatdown twice by Forrest and lost twice to Wright, what was his next best win? Taylor, Stone, Collazo?
How great is PBF?
Screw what his opinion is. What is his real standing all-time at the moment? I may be harsher than others but IMO he's not even as great as Oscar or Mosley right now. He dominated 130, but didn't fight Casamayor or Freitas. Next, at 135, he arguably lost to Castillo in their first fight and scraped by in an ugly rematch. At 140, he didn't do shit. Then at 147-154, he beat the journeyman easy and then almost lost to a 34 year old DLH in a fight I believe should be 6-5-1, Floyd, or even 6-6. He's a very good fighter but hasn't proven to be above the Mosleys and De La Hoyas yet much less Hearn and or Leonard greatness wise.
Uhh what did Mosley ever do that makes him greater then Floyd? He beat DLH, yeah was a great win, but aside from that? He got his ass beatdown twice by Forrest and lost twice to Wright, what was his next best win? Taylor, Stone, Collazo?
He's better than Marquez, I can tell you that!!Originally Posted by Rebel
BTW - What does DLH's age have to do w/ this when Floyd is just a few yrs younger & they fought at DLH's weight & on DLH's terms?
If DLH's age was a hindrance, then why did you pick him to win??
I'll take your word on it since you're clearly big Floyd fan who is objetive and is just tired of Floyd's weak recent competition.
Just another Mex mad that a Mex was beaten by a non Mex on Mex day.
You're just as much of a homer for Mayweather as Rebel is for Oscar.I'll take your word on it since you're clearly big Floyd fan who is objetive and is just tired of Floyd's weak recent competition.
Last edited by R_jay; 05-06-2007 at 07:36 PM.
Floyd is easily one of the biggest talents of this decade. He's not invunerable, he can be beaten and yes, he has chosen the path of least resistance in some cases. But he's fast, he's got terrific defense, knows how to place punches, fantastic ring generalship and a good enough punch.
He's already got a place reserved in the HOF. How highly he gets ranked or remembered is going to depend on what he does next.
PBF looked good in a sombrero
Agree on the part about Sugar ray-The Sugar man beats him Bad.
Who has PFB not fought yet that would further legitimize him in your eyes?
A year ago the most patriotic thing you could do was to protest against your government, unless of course, it is a year later and a liberal won the election. In that case your a racist.
That,s what we all want to know?.I can only think of Mosely.
come on...lets not go the other way here. not as great as mosely ? are you serious ? lol
line ball with dlh. not in the same league as the true greats which is pretty much where i thought he should be ranked before this farce.
oh please. is the mosely beat up gonna start happening from NOW. get real.stop living in the fuckin 90's.
whether by choice or not, floyd did not make the most compelling fights happen. not all of it was his fault, i grant you that. zoo got his ass kicked b4 he could fight nancy. not his fault dlh and ssm are old hags. none of that is the point though.
ricardo lopez lost to no one. it's not HIS FAULT that there were no greats around for him to fight but just cos you have a 0 next to your name don;t make you the best ever.
being the greatest of all time is determined by what you DID not by what you COULD HAVE done.
the lack of authentic competition gifted nancy of the 0 but also prevents him from claiming true greatness.
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Silly topic. Floyd is without a doubt greater than Mosley. Oscar? Well it depends on what you consider greatness. If you consider a controversial career like Oscar's greater than Floyd's than so be it. Floyd's the better fighter and greater as well in my eyes. Giving up a big ass size advantage and still winning the other night proved that to me, in a weight class that PBF has no bussiness at. People can talk about prime this or prime that but the truth is Floyd is no Jr. MW.
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People trying to say Floyd fought no one are ridiculous. His top 5 wins are pretty damn good. I would rank them as such.....
1. ODLH- Floyd beat the much bigger guy at an unatural weight. Oscar clearly showed he had something left in this fight. GREAT win for Floyd over the bigger 6 weight champion.
2. Diego Corrales- Was undefeated and wrecking people. Ring #5 PFP. Floyd dominated him in every round and dominated him.
3. Jose Luis Castillo- Long time LW champion with several quality wins
4. Zab Judah- 2 weight champion and undisputed WW champion for a time. Coming off a close loss to Baldomir. Floyd won 8 rounds against him.
5. Genaro Hernandez- Long time LW champion. Floyd dominated him when he was young as hell in what was considered a pick'em fight.
Those are his 5 best wins not to mention guys like Gatti,Corley,Baldomir,Mitchell,Chavez,Hernandez and Manfredy (when that actually meant something). VERY good list of competition.
you are correct to say "not to mention"
zab was a hasbeen, dlh was wayyyyy past prime and castillo beat him once. corrales was outstadning.
that is NOT the resume of one of the greatest fighters of all time.
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Zab showed no signs of being a hasbeen he was prime. ODLH may have been a bit past prime but he fought Floyd at a weight class where he never lost decisively and Floyd never fought before. Floyd beat Castillo twice. Resume of 1 of the greatest ever? Matter of opinion but for a fighter of today he has a great resume. Lots of A fighters and B fighters.
Last edited by Valdosta; 05-06-2007 at 11:04 PM.
No, I'm not. I appreciate Floyd skills, dude's terrific but I don't go there claiming some stupid shit. I've never said he's the GOAT or invincible but the man is a great fighter and if you can't bring yourself to admit that, you're an idiot.
You scored the fight for DLH, WTF? I'm not even gonna try arguing with you.
Thats it, keep up the denial. I just did a quick check. Every single post you've made in the past 3 months (and all but 1 in the past 4 months) has been about Mayweather. No, you're not swinging off Mayweather's nuts at all
Last edited by R_jay; 05-07-2007 at 12:38 AM.
now you've gone from the sublime to the completely ridiculous. z
1. zab was prime ? zab was just coming off a loss to BALDOMIR ffs.
2. there is no MAYBE's about it, dlh IS past his prime. there may be some room for argument as to how FAR past prime he is but to even suggest he may NOT be past his prime is completely moronic.
3. there is also no room for argument about his resume. it is NOT a matter for contention that it is the greatest ever. it is nowehere NEAR the resume of one of the greatest ever. not ever in the same STRATOSPHERE.
seriously your nuthugging of floyd is just going too far. you're starting to sound like a rjj fan of the late 90's. its becoming embarrasing.
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If you don't like my posts don't bother with them. Everything I have said is the truth. Zab lost a razor close fight to Baldomir so what? Big, agressive WW's were always going to bother Zab if he can't hurt them. that's part of styles. He lost a close,close fight to Spinks then knocked him the fuck out. Zab was inexperienced against Tszyu if anything. He has been around the block more now. There is NOTHING that suggests he is past it yet. He is still then same fighter he has always been. As for ODLH you can talk about him being past prime all you want. The fact is 154 is NOWHERE CLOSE TO FLOYD'S BEST WEIGHT!! Not even close. Floyd has a great resume for a fighter of this generation. people can cry and shit all they want to but the fact is Floyd has won all of his fights and beaten some very good/great fighters. Get over it.
Zab's loss to Baldomir was razor close? wtf!
Mayweather has had a much better career than Mosley. Its crazy to say otherwise.
Mosley kicked ass at 135 although it was against limited opposition. He then skipped 140 and beat the champ at 147, a prime DLH at 147, becoming the 2nd LW champion in history to duplicate that feat. He then lost to Forrest and Wright because they were bigger men with tough styles, but since then he's had a very good 2nd career.
Don't act like Mayweather shouldn't have a loss on his record, and the man hasn't consistently fought the best in each weight class since the Castillo fights.
Last edited by Rebel; 05-07-2007 at 02:55 AM.
No shit, Einstein!
I picked DLH to earn the close controversial decision in a fight PBF won 7-5, 6-5-1. I was close but no cigar.
No two ways about it. DLH wasn't in his prime. Get real.
Freitas and Casamayor at 130.
Anyone with a heartbeat at 140.
A prime threat at 147-154.
Do you think PBF could've gone through Quartey, Whittaker, Trinidad, and Mosley without losing at 147?
Valdosta's love for PBF -now you've gone from the sublime to the completely ridiculous. z
1. zab was prime ? zab was just coming off a loss to BALDOMIR ffs.
2. there is no MAYBE's about it, dlh IS past his prime. there may be some room for argument as to how FAR past prime he is but to even suggest he may NOT be past his prime is completely moronic.
3. there is also no room for argument about his resume. it is NOT a matter for contention that it is the greatest ever. it is nowehere NEAR the resume of one of the greatest ever. not ever in the same STRATOSPHERE.
seriously your nuthugging of floyd is just going too far. you're starting to sound like a rjj fan of the late 90's. its becoming embarrasing.blabla
Zab blows. He also lost to Spinks and should've lost to Piņeda as well if the judges weren't corrupt. Shit, Tsyzu also destroyed him in 2 rounds!
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