Marquez Focusing on Body Work

[Rebel]

http://www.fightnews.com/?p=18196#more-18196

That's actually the best plan because if Mayweather is still as elusive as he was before, he'll be hard to hit cleanly to the head.

[Attraction]

Marquez will not be competitive in the fight imo.

He looks much bigger

[Rebel]

Marquez will not be competitive in the fight imo.

He looks much bigger
I think a lot of people are going to be surprised how competitive he is.

1. Although he's smaller, Marquez is arguably Mayweather's toughest test since Castillo.

2. Mayweather will have been out for almost two years by the time they face each other. His timing and speed may be off.

3. Marquez is hungrier than ever.

4. Mayweather's injury appears to be legit.

[BKING]

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content5308.html

Marquez actually looks good in those pictures; he actually looks bigger than Floyd. :eeeeeky: The fight could be competitive, as Floyd's injury opens questions as to how well he'll take bodyshots. Marquez needs to attack from the outset by pinning Floyd on the ropes, put him in defensive mode, and keep him in defensive mode (like Glenn Johnson did against Roy Jones and Jose Luis Castillo did against him in their first fight). He can't let Floyd get into a rhythm; he has to make him uncomfortable and paranoid. Most of Marquez's shots should be aimed at Floyd's arms and body. Break the body down. As long as Marquez doesn't get cut, which is possible due to all of the scar tissue, this could get interesting. We also have to see how Mayweather looks after the time off.

Go Marquez!

[Admin]

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content5308.html

Marquez actually looks good in those pictures. The fight could be competitive, as Floyd's injury opens questions as to how well he'll take bodyshots. As long as Marquez doesn't get cut, which is possible due to all of the scar tissue, this could get interesting. We also have to see how Mayweather looks after the time off.

Go Marquez!
The closer this fight gets, the more exciting it becomes. There's a lot of intrigue here and a greater place in history awaits Marquez should he win.

Can you imagine the arguments for Fighter of the Decade should Marquez defeat Mayweather and Pacquiao loses to Cotto? Or what if Marquez wins and Pacquiao wins? Or what if Mayweather and Pacquiao both win? Or what if both Pacquiao and Marquez both lose?

There are so many possible scenarios.

[BKING]

We're approaching the point in which Floyd is in his 30s and is now beginning to fight better fighters who are making their mark in this era. Not just hungry fighters, but hungry fighters closer to their primes with skills who have been successful on the world class level. Reminds you of Roy Jones Jr finally meeting Tarver, Johnson, and then Calzaghe later in his career. Eventually they all lose. I'm not saying Floyd will lose to Marquez, but from this point on, whether he admits it or not, it will become more and more of a gamble for Floyd.

[Admin]

We're approaching the point in which Floyd is in his 30s and is now beginning to fight better fighters who are making their mark in this era. Not just hungry fighters, but hungry fighters closer to their primes with skills who have been successful on the world class level. Reminds you of Roy Jones Jr finally meeting Tarver, Johnson, and then Calzaghe later in his career. Eventually they all lose. I'm not saying Floyd will lose to Marquez, but from this point on, whether he admits it or not, it will become more and more of a gamble for Floyd.
If he loses to JMM or Pac, that will hurt his legacy a great deal. His detractors will then be able to say, "You see, that's the reason he ducked all the top welters!"

[HOMICIDE]

you know I see Marquez pulling it out...if he takes the Castillo approach and hits all the moves and roughs him up this could be a upset in the making...I think the Castillo plan would work perfectly and thought Hatton would put it to much more use than he did but the ref was grilling him about it making it tough, can Marquez work the body and rough him up over a long period of time though is the question...:555:

[Admin]

In a perfect world, this fight mirrors Gainer/Marquez. Run Forrest! Run! :yo:

[Alabama_Man]

Marquez should focus on opening a nice taco stand in Tijiuana that he can invest into after Mayweather knocks him out.

[BKING]

It could be a great fight, from a strategic point of view. These are two of the biggest brains to enter a prize fight ring in the last 10 years. They have high boxing IQs and have shown the ability to make adjustments throughout their fights when Plan A or even B is not necessarily working. It'll be interesting to see them trying to out think each other at certain points.

[Admin]

Marquez should focus on opening a nice taco stand in Tijiuana that he can invest into after Mayweather knocks him out.
Marquez isn't from Tijuana. He's from Mexico City and he's an articulate, educated man, unlike Pacquiao. Your hatred for him is so sad.

[Alabama_Man]

Marquez isn't from Tijuana. He's from Mexico City and he's an articulate, educated man, unlike Pacquiao. Your hatred for him is so sad.

I know, but once Mayweather knocks him out, I think he'd make good money opening a taco stand in Tijuana. He should invest his money if he's educated and articulate like you claim.

[Admin]

I know, but once Mayweather knocks him out, I think he'd make good money opening a taco stand in Tijuana. He should invest his money if he's educated and articulate like you claim.
Get real dude. A taco stand? Is that your way of insinuating Mexican's can't do anything other than open up a taco stand? Are you saying he doesn't have the intelligence to open up an accounting firm instead? Are you aware he was an accountant prior to going into boxing full-time?

You're either a closet racist or hate JMM because a lot of people believe he's schooled Pac twice.

Get over it. Grow up. Respect the warrior.

[Alabama_Man]

Whoa. Where is all this vile coming from?

Accounting firms are having trouble in these turbulent economic times. Many companies are internally doing their own accounting and auditing. KPMG is planning to lay off 10% of their workforce, you're simply not well read on the current economic trends.

Have you heard of a place called Taco Bell?

They do over $2 billion dollars in sales annually. Marquez could make a killing after he retires in September.

[Admin]

Whoa. Where is all this vile coming from?

have you heard of a place called Taco Bell?

They do over $2 billion dollars in sales annually. Marquez could make a killing after he retires in September.
You're so pathetic. I'm on to you though. Tread lightly.

[Alabama_Man]

You're so pathetic. I'm on to you though. Tread lightly.

Hey man, you're the one with the problem. What do you mean by tread lightly? Is that a threat? What's your problem? :555:

[Admin]

Hey man, you're the one with the problem. What do you mean by tread lightly? Is that a threat? What's your problem? :555:
Don't act stupid.

I'm done with this conversation.

[REED]

As SKILLED as Marquez UNDENIABLY Is, he's a Notoriously SLOW Starter, he's Relatively EASY to Hit (just Ask Juan Diaz), he's in his MID 30's & he DOESN'T Have the Greatest Chin in the World...

Make No Mistake, Floyd Mayweather WILL B the BIGGER, STRONGER Man on Fightnight...If Marquez is Intent on Focusing on Floyd's Body, he's Opening HIMSELF to Floyd's Counters, which is what Floyd PREFERS to Do Anyways...Marquez's BEST Bet is to Make Floyd LEAD & Counter Him...

Hopefully, All the People Giving Marquez a LEGIT Chance NOW, Won't All of a Sudden BASH Floyd for Picking on a "Smaller Guy", 1nce it's Over...


REEDhammery

[Rebel]

As SKILLED as Marquez UNDENIABLY Is, he's a Notoriously SLOW Starter, he's Relatively EASY to Hit (just Ask Juan Diaz), he's in his MID 30's & he DOESN'T Have the Greatest Chin in the World...

Make No Mistake, Floyd Mayweather WILL B the BIGGER, STRONGER Man on Fightnight...If Marquez is Intent on Focusing on Floyd's Body, he's Opening HIMSELF to Floyd's Counters, which is what Floyd PREFERS to Do Anyways...Marquez's BEST Bet is to Make Floyd LEAD & Counter Him...

Hopefully, All the People Giving Marquez a LEGIT Chance NOW, Won't All of a Sudden BASH Floyd for Picking on a "Smaller Guy", 1nce it's Over...


REEDhammery
I've gone back and forth, but ultimately, I won't criticize PBF for this fight. He's been out for two years so I don't expect him to jump into an extremely dangerous fight against a big puncher right away. If he beats JMM clearly and goes on to tackle bigger fish like the Pac/Cotto winner and Mosley, there won't be much to complain about.

REED, what would your reaction be if he were to lose to JMM?

[Valdosta]

He can focus on whatever he wants I will be there to watch him get his ass kicked.

[Rebel]

He can focus on whatever he wants I will be there to watch him get his ass kicked.
Will you make excuses if he's extremely competitive or manages to pull it out?

I may actually attend the fight if I'm credentialed for it.

[Valdosta]

what do you mean by competitive? JMM might win 2-3 rounds but that's not really competitive. Overall he will get his ass kicked. I'll give him credit for taking on a guy who has all the advantages, that takes balls but if he wants real credit he needs to win.

[Rebel]

what do you mean by competitive? JMM might win 2-3 rounds but that's not really competitive. Overall he will get his ass kicked. I'll give him credit for taking on a guy who has all the advantages, that takes balls but if he wants real credit he needs to win.
You didn't answer the question.

What will your reaction be if JMM wins 4-5 rounds?

What will your reaction be if JMM beats him clearly?

[Valdosta]

You didn't answer the question.

What will your reaction be if JMM wins 4-5 rounds?

What will your reaction be if JMM beats him clearly?


Both questions were answered in my post.

[Rebel]

Both questions were answered in my post.
No you didn't. You didn't answer what your reaction would be if he won 4-5 rounds or won the fight.

You simply insinuated those aren't possibilities at all.

[Valdosta]

I answered the questions by saying if he wants real credit he needs to win the fight. I don't care if he wins 4-5 rounds, that's not a win.

[Rebel]

I answered the questions by saying if he wants real credit he needs to win the fight. I don't care if he wins 4-5 rounds, that's not a win.
So let me get this straight. You won't give a guy credit if he makes the fight really competitive (wins 4-5 rounds) despite the fact that you think he'll only win 2-3 while not providing much of a challenge?

There's something wrong with that picture.

[Valdosta]

It's a loss either way, what kind of credit is he supposed to get? That's a losers attitude.

[Rebel]

It's a loss either way, what kind of credit is he supposed to get? That's a losers attitude.
Ok. So you basically won't give any huge underdog credit for making it a competitive fight. I'll remember that from here on out.

Just don't forget. Valdosta cannot give props to any underdog unless the dog wins.

[Valentino]

We're approaching the point in which Floyd is in his 30s and is now beginning to fight better fighters who are making their mark in this era. Not just hungry fighters, but hungry fighters closer to their primes with skills who have been successful on the world class level. Reminds you of Roy Jones Jr finally meeting Tarver, Johnson, and then Calzaghe later in his career. Eventually they all lose. I'm not saying Floyd will lose to Marquez, but from this point on, whether he admits it or not, it will become more and more of a gamble for Floyd.


Marquez is OLD and SMALL...he just happen to be so damn good that people seen to think he is in his "prime". He is not.

So...it is not high risk type of fight for Floyd. He is fighting a fighter that Pac ALREADY fought TWICE.

I am impressed with Marquez for taking the fight...not with PBF.

[Valdosta]

Ok. So you basically won't give any huge underdog credit for making it a competitive fight. I'll remember that from here on out.

Just don't forget. Valdosta cannot give props to any underdog unless the dog wins.

Don't worrry it's remembered :haha:I might say a guy put up a good fight or something but in general winning is what matters.

[REED]

I've gone back and forth, but ultimately, I won't criticize PBF for this fight. He's been out for two years so I don't expect him to jump into an extremely dangerous fight against a big puncher right away. If he beats JMM clearly and goes on to tackle bigger fish like the Pac/Cotto winner and Mosley, there won't be much to complain about.

REED, what would your reaction be if he were to lose to JMM?REED Would B SHOCKED if Marquez WON the Fight...But That DOESN'T Mean that REED Expects Floyd to just WALK THRU Marquez, Because NOBODY Does That...Believe it or Not, REED has Grown to LIKE JM...REED was IN ATTENDANCE @ the Marquez-Diaz Bout in Houston & REED can HONESTLY Say that JM is THE BEST Fighter he's EVER Seen Perform in Person...

There ISN'T even a Close 2nd...

But Ultimately, like Valdosta Said, Floyd has just about EVERY Advantage...SIZE, STRENGTH, YOUTH, SPEED (Arguably)...Floyd's BETTER Defensively & Pretty Much in Every Other Regard as Well...It's HARD to Imagine Marquez WINNING this Bout...


REEDhammery

[Rebel]

REED Would B SHOCKED if Marquez WON the Fight...But That DOESN'T Mean that REED Expects Floyd to just WALK THRU Marquez, Because NOBODY Does That...Believe it or Not, REED has Grown to LIKE JM...REED was IN ATTENDANCE @ the Marquez-Diaz Bout in Houston & REED can HONESTLY Say that JM is THE BEST Fighter he's EVER Seen Perform in Person...

There ISN'T even a Close 2nd...

But Ultimately, like Valdosta Said, Floyd has just about EVERY Advantage...SIZE, STRENGTH, YOUTH, SPEED (Arguably)...Floyd's BETTER Defensively & Pretty Much in Every Other Regard as Well...It's HARD to Imagine Marquez WINNING this Bout...


REEDhammery
On paper, PBF should be the favorite for sure. I just think there's a lot of intangibles that are going to make this a much more competitive bout than expected.

[Laztrooper]

WAR MARQUEZ!!

[LATINKING]

So let me get this straight. You won't give a guy credit if he makes the fight really competitive (wins 4-5 rounds) despite the fact that you think he'll only win 2-3 while not providing much of a challenge?

There's something wrong with that picture.
I don't think Valdosta would give JMM credit even if he beats JMM

His biased ways won't let him :rotf:

[Valdosta]

I don't think Valdosta would give JMM credit even if he beats JMM

His biased ways won't let him :rotf:

You mean if he beats Mayweather? Sure I would. You don't say 1 guy has every advantage and then if he losses not give credit.

[Alabama_Man]

If JMM wins, it would be a big upset. I'd give Juan lots of credit, though people will have a valid point if they bring up that Mayweather was basically inactive for 2 years if it's a close decision loss.

[Laztrooper]

If JMM wins, it would be a big upset. I'd give Juan lots of credit, though people will have a valid point if they bring up that Mayweather was basically inactive for 2 years if it's a close decision loss.If Marquez Wins Rebs will probably blow one off right on the spot and burst into tears.

Marquez winning would be like hitting the lotto for his fans. I always love the euphoric feeling when one of my favorite boxing or mma fighters wins a big fight or when a fighter I hate gets ktfo. For instance I was overjoyed with Bisping getting ktfo because I hate his ass.

[meetthefeebles]

Marquez is by far and away the best fighter Floyd has ever faced. It's just a shame that he is probably too small to allow his skills to become a winning factor. That said, almost everyone said the same thing about Manny and look how wrong that one was...:haha:

I want to criticise Floyd for taking this fight: he's clearly a collosal prick and I have nothing but dislike for the man. But the truth of the matter is that people are clambering for a Pac-Floyd fight (me included) and Manny went life and death with Marquez twice. Is it really fair to criticise one fight and clamber for the other?

I hope Marquez wins- I'm one of those rare folk who've always liked Marquez- but I can't see it. He will make it competative though. He's too good to be uncompetative with anyone, Mayweather included.

MTF

[meetthefeebles]

Get real dude. A taco stand? Is that your way of insinuating Mexican's can't do anything other than open up a taco stand? Are you saying he doesn't have the intelligence to open up an accounting firm instead? Are you aware he was an accountant prior to going into boxing full-time?

You're either a closet racist or hate JMM because a lot of people believe he's schooled Pac twice.

Get over it. Grow up. Respect the warrior.

Bama is the numero uno Manny Pac fanboy in the entire world. He regularly vanishes from boxing sites only to return when Manny wins. To this end, he has regularly and insistently denegraded JMM wherever and whenever possible. Do what the rest of us do and just ignore him.

MTF

[Valentino]

I want to criticise Floyd for taking this fight: he's clearly a collosal prick and I have nothing but dislike for the man. But the truth of the matter is that people are clambering for a Pac-Floyd fight (me included) and Manny went life and death with Marquez twice. Is it really fair to criticise one fight and clamber for the other?




Take a look at what weight did Marquez and Pac fought...and now take a look at what weight is going to be the Marquez and Floyd fight. I doubt Manny would go life and death if they fought at that particular weight class.

Huge disadvantage for Marquez.

[Rebel]

Take a look at what weight did Marquez and Pac fought...and now take a look at what weight is going to be the Marquez and Floyd fight. I doubt Manny would go life and death if they fought at that particular weight class.

Huge disadvantage for Marquez.
Based on their battles at 126-130 and their success at 135, I'd opine that a fight at 135 would've looked quite similar to their 2nd encounter.

At 140, that remains to be seen.

[Alabama_Man]

Pacquiao was weight drained in the 2nd fight with Marquez and still won.

[Rebel]

Pacquiao was weight drained in the 2nd fight with Marquez and still won.:slap:

[meetthefeebles]

Take a look at what weight did Marquez and Pac fought...and now take a look at what weight is going to be the Marquez and Floyd fight. I doubt Manny would go life and death if they fought at that particular weight class.

Huge disadvantage for Marquez.

Maybe I'm going daft, but what exactly are you trying to say here? Manny and JMM were inseparable at 126 and 130. Manny has moved up to 140 and beat the shit out of the consensus number one there. JMM has moved up to 135 and beat the shit out of the consensus number one and two guys there.

Both are moving up again to 145-147 for their next fights.

I get all of this, but don't really see what the hell your point is. Of course JMM is at a disadvantage because he is moving up som much weight. That's why I think he will lose. That's what I said, in fact...

MTF :555:

[CHUCHU]

Pacquiao was weight drained in the 2nd fight with Marquez and still won.

Filipinos like you (and the ones I work with at my hospital) inspire me to fuck every decent looking filipina I meet.

Every time my coworkers give me shit about Pacman conquering Mexico, I just tell them that I conquered their women. :lol:


Its a jugular slash, but it always gets under their skin. :wink7:

:hump:

[gregg]

I actually like Marquez in this fight. Forget about the fight on paper, it's the ring that counts. We have all seen the supposed to win fighter get beat. I think Marquez pulls it off and then starts to call out pac again after pac goes through cotto.

[CHUCHU]

I think Marquez will be competitive for about 8-9 rounds and then will be KO'd around the 10 or 11th. I hope Im wrong. :(

[Alabama_Man]

Filipinos like you (and the ones I work with at my hospital) inspire me to fuck every decent looking filipina I meet.

Every time my coworkers give me shit about Pacman conquering Mexico, I just tell them that I conquered their women. :lol:


Its a jugular slash, but it always gets under their skin. :wink7:

:hump:

Yeah, but do they fuck you and mow your lawn, make a taco for you, and clean your living room like Mexican women? :555:

I don't think so. :hump:

[CHUCHU]

Yeah, but do they fuck you and mow your lawn, make a taco for you, and clean your living room like Mexican women? :555:

I don't think so. :hump:


Its a good thing Mexican women date their own kind. There isnt the need to look elsewhere for reasonable size cock. :lol:

[CHUCHU]

Which reminds me, what does god have against filipinos? It just aint right...

[Alabama_Man]

Which reminds me, what does god have against filipinos? It just aint right...

Maybe it's just the guys you've slept with. :555:

[Rebel]

Yet another gay reference by Bama. Can't go a day without going there, eh? :slap: :haha:

[Alabama_Man]

Yet another gay reference by Bama. Can't go a day without going there, eh? :slap: :haha:

Shutup Rebel, you're gay. laughatyou

[Admin]

Forgive him Father, he knows not what he does.

[Alabama_Man]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0316/box_a_marquez_580.jpg

[Black Gatti]

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content5308.html

Marquez actually looks good in those pictures; he actually looks bigger than Floyd. :eeeeeky: The fight could be competitive, as Floyd's injury opens questions as to how well he'll take bodyshots. Marquez needs to attack from the outset by pinning Floyd on the ropes, put him in defensive mode, and keep him in defensive mode (like Glenn Johnson did against Roy Jones and Jose Luis Castillo did against him in their first fight). He can't let Floyd get into a rhythm; he has to make him uncomfortable and paranoid. Most of Marquez's shots should be aimed at Floyd's arms and body. Break the body down. As long as Marquez doesn't get cut, which is possible due to all of the scar tissue, this could get interesting. We also have to see how Mayweather looks after the time off.

Go Marquez!

lol ... this post is actually hilarious!! haha

This is the opposite of how Marquez will fight and needs to fight to be competitive. He will be stronger than he has been in the past but he won't be strong enuff to try to get aggressive w/ Floyd.

If he does that, it'll be a short night.

[Black Gatti]

It could be a great fight, from a strategic point of view. These are two of the biggest brains to enter a prize fight ring in the last 10 years. They have high boxing IQs and have shown the ability to make adjustments throughout their fights when Plan A or even B is not necessarily working. It'll be interesting to see them trying to out think each other at certain points.

Now, this post is a little better but is quite different than your previous vision of the fight. =)

[Black Gatti]

I know, but once Mayweather knocks him out, I think he'd make good money opening a taco stand in Tijuana. He should invest his money if he's educated and articulate like you claim.

:24:

OMG that was funny!

[Black Gatti]

As SKILLED as Marquez UNDENIABLY Is, he's a Notoriously SLOW Starter, he's Relatively EASY to Hit (just Ask Juan Diaz), he's in his MID 30's & he DOESN'T Have the Greatest Chin in the World...

Make No Mistake, Floyd Mayweather WILL B the BIGGER, STRONGER Man on Fightnight...If Marquez is Intent on Focusing on Floyd's Body, he's Opening HIMSELF to Floyd's Counters, which is what Floyd PREFERS to Do Anyways...Marquez's BEST Bet is to Make Floyd LEAD & Counter Him...

Hopefully, All the People Giving Marquez a LEGIT Chance NOW, Won't All of a Sudden BASH Floyd for Picking on a "Smaller Guy", 1nce it's Over...


REEDhammery

Whoa! .... Say that one more time for those that didn't hear you.

[Black Gatti]

Ok. So you basically won't give any huge underdog credit for making it a competitive fight. I'll remember that from here on out.

Just don't forget. Valdosta cannot give props to any underdog unless the dog wins.

If you're already talking about how competitive he'll be in this fight, he doesn't qualify as a "Huge" underdog.

[Rebel]

If you're already talking about how competitive he'll be in this fight, he doesn't qualify as a "Huge" underdog.
The general consensus doesn't believe the fight will be competitive. Maybe that's also why Marquez is a 4.5 to 1 underdog as some sports books.

Considering Marquez is a good underdog (smaller, older, slower), it would be rather impressive if he were able to be competitive with someone he's supposedly not suppose to be competitive with.

[Alabama_Man]

But let's not forget that there is a valid point of Mayweather being inactive for almost 2 years by fight time. That can be ignored as a potential x-factor.

The books are based on an active Mayweather. I have my doubts creeping in about an inactive Floyd.

[handolo]

But let's not forget that there is a valid point of Mayweather being inactive for almost 2 years by fight time. That can be ignored as a potential x-factor.

The books are based on an active Mayweather. I have my doubts creeping in about an inactive Floyd.



i've been thinking the same. i remember years ago an semi inactive floyd getting schooled by spadafora :lol: or so the rumor goes, i think jmm is gonna be competitive but is still gonna beaten.

[gregg]

I don't care what the odds are and what this looks like on paper. Marquez wins.