Mayweather vs. Marquez rescheduled for September 19! [Archive]

BKING

06-26-2009, 09:56 AM

http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=17933

There you have it, folks. Those who are attending this fight, that is the date the fight will be happening.

I'll be watching the fight at my local sports bar, Miami Mike's Sports Zone, which is pound for pound the best sports bar in the country. :thumb:
When Mayweather fights Pacquiao, I'll def be coming out to Vegas. One of my best friends lives in Las Vegas with his wife, and he's been dying for me to come out there and see him. Soon I will!

My predictions remains the same.

Mayweather by UD. I'd say maybe 8-4.

SuperJ

06-26-2009, 01:22 PM

I wonder if Pac will meet PBF before year end?

BKING

06-27-2009, 05:47 AM

I wonder if Pac will meet PBF before year end?

I highly doubt those two fighters meet before years end, with Floyd fighting Marquez on September 19 and Pacquiao vs. Cotto all but set for November 14. The earliest I can see a PBF/Pacquiao fight happening is probably May 2010. If Mayweather beats Marquez and Pacquiao beats Cotto (both being impressive wins), I don't see how they can take any other avenues other than the one that leads them to meeting each other in the ring.

So many greatly anticipated showdowns in boxing have fallen apart in the past when they reached the negotiation table. I hope negotiations do not kill this fight. Floyd will never agree to taking the lesser amount of money, so hopefully Arum and Pacquiao budge just a little bit more end up taking less just to make the fight. Arum has hinted at dropping the percentage from 60-40 in favor of Pacquiao to 50-50. Shit, why not agree to 40-40, with the winner taking the remaining 20? Or 45-45, with the winner taking the remaining 10? Anything to make the fight. I say just make the damn fight! All those involved in the event are in for a huge payday.

PBF/Pacquiao is the fight I really want to see. That's the fight that will get B-Money out to Las Vegas. And why not? I'd already have a place to stay out there. All I gotta do is fly over there. One of my best friends of 15 years lives out there with his wife and they've been asking me for over two years to come out there and visit them. His wife is Phillipino and German (quite a unique blend) and she loves Manny Pacquiao. They're casual boxing fans, but they really want to see that fight, so I'd probably go out there and spend the weekend with them to attend that event live. It would be a huge event, and if it happens, I say Boxingfanatics takes a field trip to Las Vegas! :thumb: Put the event aside: Me coming out there from the East Coast is already monumental enough. :nod:

That's where real estate is actually the cheapest in this country right now, suprisingly. Maybe I should buy a house out there.

Erik

07-28-2009, 07:34 PM

Katsidis-Escobedo, Green-Bika on Mayweather-Marquez?

By Rick Reeno

While the co-feature is set [Chris John vs. Rocky Juarez II], BoxingScene.com was advised that two more fights are being discussed for the Floyd Mayweather Jr vs. Juan Manuel Marquez pay-per-view undercard on September 19 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. The more likely of the two, as far as landing on the show, is Michael Katsidis in a lightweight bout with Vicente Escobedo. The other bout would pit super middleweights Sakio Bika and Allan Green in a fight with some heavy potential for fireworks. Neither fight is a lock for the card.

Mayweather Promotions and Al Haymon are taking the lead on the show's promotional end, and the money. I hear the amount of money being offered will be the main determining factor in whether or not these fights will land on the show.

lb 4 lb

07-29-2009, 12:40 AM

I highly doubt those two fighters meet before years end, with Floyd fighting Marquez on September 19 and Pacquiao vs. Cotto all but set for November 14. The earliest I can see a PBF/Pacquiao fight happening is probably May 2010. If Mayweather beats Marquez and Pacquiao beats Cotto (both being impressive wins), I don't see how they can take any other avenues other than the one that leads them to meeting each other in the ring.

So many greatly anticipated showdowns in boxing have fallen apart in the past when they reached the negotiation table. I hope negotiations do not kill this fight. Floyd will never agree to taking the lesser amount of money, so hopefully Arum and Pacquiao budge just a little bit more end up taking less just to make the fight. Arum has hinted at dropping the percentage from 60-40 in favor of Pacquiao to 50-50. Shit, why not agree to 40-40, with the winner taking the remaining 20? Or 45-45, with the winner taking the remaining 10? Anything to make the fight. I say just make the damn fight! All those involved in the event are in for a huge payday.

PBF/Pacquiao is the fight I really want to see. That's the fight that will get B-Money out to Las Vegas. And why not? I'd already have a place to stay out there. All I gotta do is fly over there. One of my best friends of 15 years lives out there with his wife and they've been asking me for over two years to come out there and visit them. His wife is Phillipino and German (quite a unique blend) and she loves Manny Pacquiao. They're casual boxing fans, but they really want to see that fight, so I'd probably go out there and spend the weekend with them to attend that event live. It would be a huge event, and if it happens, I say Boxingfanatics takes a field trip to Las Vegas! :thumb: Put the event aside: Me coming out there from the East Coast is already monumental enough. :nod:

That's where real estate is actually the cheapest in this country right now, suprisingly. Maybe I should buy a house out there.
Just wanted you to know, I read your whole longass post.

YOU DID NOT WRITE THAT IN VAIN.

andrew

07-29-2009, 01:06 AM

BKING

07-29-2009, 10:58 AM

Just wanted you to know, I read your whole longass post.

YOU DID NOT WRITE THAT IN VAIN.

laughatyou hammery
:thumb:

lb 4 lb

07-31-2009, 01:10 AM

I actually am starting to think JMM may actually win this thing and he might just be my pick.

Rebel

07-31-2009, 07:03 AM

I've had this feeling for awhile that the fight is going to be a lot closer than most think.

REED

07-31-2009, 07:56 AM

I've had this feeling for awhile that the fight is going to be a lot closer than most think.
shittt

That "Feeling" is NUTHUGGERY & HATE...U Looooooooove JM Marquez & Absolutely HATE Floyd....

REEDhammery

Hut*Hut

07-31-2009, 08:00 AM

I've had this feeling for awhile that the fight is going to be a lot closer than most think.

TBH I gravely fear a massarcre, Marquez looked hella slow and hittable against Diaz & Casamayor.

O-Dogg33

07-31-2009, 08:43 AM

Alabama_Man

07-31-2009, 08:47 AM

Not only that, Pacquiao was having major problems making 130 by the time the rematch took place. It made the fight a lot closer than it should've been with Pacquiao.

Rebel

07-31-2009, 09:13 AM

shittt

That "Feeling" is NUTHUGGERY & HATE...U Looooooooove JM Marquez & Absolutely HATE Floyd....

REEDhammery
Wanna bet? :craftyone:

Rebel

07-31-2009, 09:14 AM

TBH I gravely fear a massarcre, Marquez looked hella slow and hittable against Diaz & Casamayor.
Do you think Mayweather is going to look the same after suffering a legit rib injury and being off for two years? He's 32 now. He's no longer a young pup himself.

Joe King

07-31-2009, 09:53 AM

Do you think Mayweather is going to look the same after suffering a legit rib injury and being off for two years? He's 32 now. He's no longer a young pup himself.

If thought the same thing, but Marquez has arguably suffered a lot of wear and tear over the past two years. There is a big difference between staying out of the ring for 2 years and being in a couple of wars during that time.

Rebel

07-31-2009, 10:09 AM

If thought the same thing, but Marquez has arguably suffered a lot of wear and tear over the past two years. There is a big difference between staying out of the ring for 2 years and being in a couple of wars during that time.
You make some valid points.

However, my feeling holds that a fighter with Mayweather's speed and talent won't be on his A game after having been off for a couple of years. If he's anything like Roy Jones Jr., even the slightest "slip" will lead to a not-so-pretty performance.

I just don't think his timing is going to be there like it was before, and due to Mayweather's defensive style, Marquez will be able to patiently fight at his preferred pace.

lb 4 lb

07-31-2009, 10:55 AM

I'm a little worried for Marquez myself. Marquez has done will with an elite fighter in Pacquiao but pacmans style was more suited for Marquez. I'm not sure how he's gonna handle Mayweather's speed, defense and movement. Not to mention the weight jump. Its a great challenge for him if he does well I'll be very impressed. If he wins I'd call him an all time great.Well Floyd didn't exactly look like a killer fighting ODLH and Hatton. In fact, to me, Floyd hasn't looked great since he beat Gatti. Throw in his lack of belief in himself and I think JMM might have a good chance here. Especially if Floyd fights him the way he fought ODLH.

Just ask yourself when was the last time Floyd fought someone as good as JMM? Fighting bums your whole career is bound to hurt you when you finally step up and face good comp, and let's not forget that JMM is twice the fighter that Castillo was.

jaws1216

07-31-2009, 10:57 AM

this is a stylistic nightmare for marquez. He prefers people who will come at him and allow him to counterpunch.

Floyd will box circles around him.

lb 4 lb

07-31-2009, 10:59 AM

this is a stylistic nightmare for marquez. He prefers people who will come at him and allow him to counterpunch.

Floyd will box circles around him.Floyd's the same way.

Rebel

07-31-2009, 10:59 AM

this is a stylistic nightmare for marquez. He prefers people who will come at him and allow him to counterpunch.

Floyd will box circles around him.
PBF hasn't boxed circles against a top notch opponent in quite sometime.

If you mean, he'll run circles around him, I'd be more inclined to agree with you.

Alabama_Man

07-31-2009, 11:27 AM

To be honest, I think JMM is a better aggressor than Floyd is, but I don't think it will be enough.

O-Dogg33

07-31-2009, 12:08 PM

Well Floyd didn't exactly look like a killer fighting ODLH and Hatton. In fact, to me, Floyd hasn't looked great since he beat Gatti. Throw in his lack of belief in himself and I think JMM might have a good chance here. Especially if Floyd fights him the way he fought ODLH.

Just ask yourself when was the last time Floyd fought someone as good as JMM? Fighting bums your whole career is bound to hurt you when you finally step up and face good comp, and let's not forget that JMM is twice the fighter that Castillo was.

Floyd has looked too hesitant in the ring to me in his fights against DLH and Hatton. I think he's too conservative with his punches and didn't put the pressure on enough when he had them in bad spots. He probably could've hurt DLH late in the fight but he's too scared to engage. He nearly dropped him the 5th I believe it was with a counter left hook. And with Hatton he coasted til Hatton served up his face on a platter for him.

Nobody forces Floyd to fight for 3 min a round. He's content to just go through the motions and win decisions now. He wants to avoid getting in real fights. But with Marquez I still feel that Floyd has too many advantages over him and will not be worried about Marquez's power so he'll press the gas a little more. But who knows maybe that will be a mistake.

REED

07-31-2009, 12:14 PM

Wanna bet? :craftyone:
Bet What ON What???...

REED:555:

The Hitman

07-31-2009, 12:21 PM

I've had this feeling for awhile that the fight is going to be a lot closer than most think.

wow this is a shocking statement, Rebel

Valdosta

07-31-2009, 03:54 PM

TBH I gravely fear a massarcre, Marquez looked hella slow and hittable against Diaz & Casamayor.

No need to fear it, embrace it:clappy: Floyd is going to kick the shit out of JMM. It's going to be very ugly.

Rebel

08-01-2009, 09:18 AM

Bet What ON What???...

REED:555:
You don't the fight will be competitive, right? So what's your prediction? PBF via TKO/KO? PBF wins every round?

Rebel

08-01-2009, 09:19 AM

No need to fear it, embrace it:clappy: Floyd is going to kick the shit out of JMM. It's going to be very ugly.
PBF hasn't kicked the shit out of anyone in awhile. Even Hatton wasn't getting his ass kicked before he got stopped. He just pooped out late and ran into a big shot as he carelessly bore in.

The Hitman

08-01-2009, 09:27 AM

Rebel

08-01-2009, 09:28 AM

you clearly didn't watch the fight
I did. I guess we just have different opinions of what defines an ass kicking.

jaws1216

08-01-2009, 10:31 AM

I did. I guess we just have different opinions of what defines an ass kicking.

winning every second and brutally KOing a guy isn't an ass kicking?:haha:

REED

08-01-2009, 10:33 AM

You don't the fight will be competitive, right? So what's your prediction? PBF via TKO/KO? PBF wins every round?It'll B About as "Competitive" as Floyd-Hatton Was, Only Marquez ISN'T the FAST Starter that Hatton is...

REEDhammery

REED

08-01-2009, 10:34 AM

REED

08-01-2009, 10:34 AM

you clearly didn't watch the fight
agREED...

REEDhammery

The Hitman

08-01-2009, 12:25 PM

Rebel - Hatton gave a great effort... and his style FORCED Floyd to be at his best. Hatton made Floyd work harder than anyone since Castillo, but he was soundly beaten, soundly beaten up, and soundly knocked out late in the fight.

Hatton didn't win more than 2 rounds - and those rounds he only won because of eye-catching flurries, great crowd support and because he noticeably took Floyd out of his comfort zone at times... even those rounds you could argue that Floyd landed the better more effective punches. I admit, i gave hatton a couple rounds because of the above factors as well... maybe incorrectly

Rebel

08-02-2009, 08:01 AM

I don't know. I just saw a guy slowly getting picked apart by a defensive "Jesse Owens" impersonator. I didn't see a real beatdown a la Cotto/Margarito or Margarito/Mosley. Those were real ass kickings.

Muzse

08-03-2009, 10:52 AM

You make some valid points.

However, my feeling holds that a fighter with Mayweather's speed and talent won't be on his A game after having been off for a couple of years. If he's anything like Roy Jones Jr., even the slightest "slip" will lead to a not-so-pretty performance.

I just don't think his timing is going to be there like it was before, and due to Mayweather's defensive style, Marquez will be able to patiently fight at his preferred pace.

Floyd is more fundamentally sound than Roy ever was. Roy had more natural talent than Floyd.

With that said, I don't see Marquez putting a dent in Floyd. There's a reason Floyd chose him. Marquez is skilled, but against a guy like Floyd he becomes ordinary.

I think Floyd will pick him apart and knock him out sometime before the 10th round. i don't see anyway Marquez handles Floyd's power. Floyd will be the bigger stronger guy in there.

Mind you, I'd LOVE to see Floyd get stretched but I don't believe Marquez has the power to hurt floyd and I certainly don't think he'll have the chin to handle the incoming.

Muzse

08-03-2009, 10:55 AM

PBF hasn't kicked the shit out of anyone in awhile. Even Hatton wasn't getting his ass kicked before he got stopped. He just pooped out late and ran into a big shot as he carelessly bore in.

Wow. Two rounds before the KO, Hatton was badly hurt by bodyshots.

I laughed at Hatton saying Floyd couldn't punch after the fight. I guess when you're knocked senseless it doesn't hurt. I wonder if Hatton says the same about Manny. :haha:

Marquez is in a lose-lose situation here. he can't match power or speed with Floyd. Perhaps he can box and frustrate Floyd, make Floyd come to him and land sneaky shots. If he stalks floyd, he's taking a nap...early.

Rebel

08-03-2009, 01:54 PM

Floyd is more fundamentally sound than Roy ever was. Roy had more natural talent than Floyd.

With that said, I don't see Marquez putting a dent in Floyd. There's a reason Floyd chose him. Marquez is skilled, but against a guy like Floyd he becomes ordinary.

I think Floyd will pick him apart and knock him out sometime before the 10th round. i don't see anyway Marquez handles Floyd's power. Floyd will be the bigger stronger guy in there.

Mind you, I'd LOVE to see Floyd get stretched but I don't believe Marquez has the power to hurt floyd and I certainly don't think he'll have the chin to handle the incoming.
Floyd is definitely more fundamentally sound but RJJ was more consistently aggressive despite being extremely defensive as well. PBF's activity level isn't what it once was, and I believe it's due to the obvious age factor and his frail hands.

Frail hands, bruised ribs, inactivity. I see where you're coming from, but I think the aforementioned tangibles will play such a role that they'll turn this into the classic most do not expect it to be.

Valdosta

08-03-2009, 01:58 PM

If you think it will be such a good fight then take your ass to it.

Rebel

08-03-2009, 02:01 PM

Wow. Two rounds before the KO, Hatton was badly hurt by bodyshots.

I laughed at Hatton saying Floyd couldn't punch after the fight. I guess when you're knocked senseless it doesn't hurt. I wonder if Hatton says the same about Manny. :haha:

Marquez is in a lose-lose situation here. he can't match power or speed with Floyd. Perhaps he can box and frustrate Floyd, make Floyd come to him and land sneaky shots. If he stalks floyd, he's taking a nap...early.

I don't think the Hatton fight really said anything about PBF's power at 147. I thought Hatton just ran out of gas late and couldn't recover from the pinball knockout. Fighters have to avoid those pinball knockouts.

Def: Pinball Knockout - When a fighter is knocked out from a result of the following series of blows to his head. 1. Great punch, ring post, canvas. 2. Great punch, rope, canvas. 3. Great punch, canvas.

:haha:

Rebel

08-03-2009, 02:03 PM

If you think it will be such a good fight then take your ass to it.
I plan to.

I bet you just want to personally be there so you can rub shit in my face if I'm way off. :grayupset: :lol:

Valdosta

08-03-2009, 02:04 PM

I plan to.

I bet you just want to personally be there so you can rub shit in my face if I'm way off. :grayupset: :lol:

Not really, I just want you to be there because I will be. :beer: We have known each other forever it's ridiculous we have never met.

Rebel

08-03-2009, 02:11 PM

Not really, I just want you to be there because I will be. :beer: We have known each other forever it's ridiculous we have never met.I agree.

I just don't know if I want our first "Boys Night Out" to be on the same day I assume a drunken stupor in Sin City and wake up with a Money May t-shirt on.

:222:

Valdosta

08-03-2009, 02:38 PM

Floyd is definitely more fundamentally sound but RJJ was more consistently aggressive despite being extremely defensive as well. PBF's activity level isn't what it once was, and I believe it's due to the obvious age factor and his frail hands.

Frail hands, bruised ribs, inactivity. I see where you're coming from, but I think the aforementioned tangibles will play such a role that they'll turn this into the classic most do not expect it to be.

BTW-If you think this is a close fight be ready to give Floyd credit when he wins. Yet even if Floyd were to destroy JMM you know that's not going to happen.

Rebel

08-03-2009, 02:52 PM

BTW-If you think this is a close fight be ready to give Floyd credit when he wins. Yet even if Floyd were to destroy JMM you know that's not going to happen.
PBF should win. He's the bigger and younger fighter. JMM is an old career featherweight that's never fought about 135.

Yes, I do think the fight will be closer than expected because of the intangibles, but PBF should still win because of the aforementioned key advantages he holds.

Valdosta

08-03-2009, 02:54 PM

Typical, wishy washy.:tongue: Like I said if you think JMM is live you should give credit when Floyd beats him.

Rebel

08-03-2009, 02:56 PM

Typical, wishy washy.:tongue: Like I said if you think JMM is live you should give credit when Floyd beats him.
Why should the clear favorite get credit for beating the guy he's supposed to beat? :555:

Valdosta

08-03-2009, 03:02 PM

Why should the clear favorite get credit for beating the guy he's supposed to beat? :555:

Because you don't think he's much of a favorite. You love to give hints of you thinking JMM can pull off the upset.

Muzse

08-04-2009, 12:07 PM

Because you don't think he's much of a favorite. You love to give hints of you thinking JMM can pull off the upset.

It'll be an upset if JMM goes the distance. This should be a statement fight for Floyd. he should go right after JMM and try to take him out. My thoughts are, Floyd chose JMM to garner some kind of bragging rights..."I easily beat the guy you struggled with."

While Manny obviously handled Oscar and Hatton more decisively and in a more dominant fashion than Floyd, Floyd falls back on the "I beat them first."

If Floyd comes out and fights a Baldomiresque type fight and Pac handles Cotto...it'll make Pac the favorite (rightfully so) and Floyd look like an ass (which I'm all for).

"However"

I think Pac will have more problems with Cotto than Floyd with JMM.