Favorite Supplements

[Rebel]

What are your favorite supplements lads?

[BJ*]

Creatine
BCAAs
Fish Oil
Whey Protein

[Lord Harry Flashman (VC)]

Creatine used to be a favourite but I became worried about potential liver trouble (don't know why) and it bloats out the face.

Whey Protein - they've got this stuff tasting alomst exactly like milk shake nowadays... a long way from the old Joe Weider products :barf:

[BJ*]

LHF,
Studies show that very few people experience bloating with creatine. It was a rumor (much like kidney or liver toxicity) and it may have been phsychosomatic resulting from placebo-effect.

However, if you truly are one of those cases, use a creatine ethyl ester (i think cellmass is one). For the vast majority, this is a worthless extra expense...but it will help if you bloat.

As for liver/kidney trouble. I wouldn't worry too much. Creatine is one of VERY few supplements actually studied in humans. (Many supplements boast claims based on derived data from experiments in rodents). Five year studies show no harmful effects. Animal studies showed no further harmful effect in rats that already had kidney disfunction. Even high protein intake studies have conflicting results in this matter (creatine may be safer than protien :eeeeeky: )

Hell, creatine is now being used to treat a variety of medical conditions, including a form of muscular dystrophy and Lou Gehrig's disease.

There are also positive effects of creatine on glucose tolerance
and homocysteine levels.

[Lord Harry Flashman (VC)]

However, if you truly are one of those cases, use a creatine ethyl ester (i think cellmass is one). For the vast majority, this is a worthless extra expense...but it will help if you bloat.

Apologies for taking so long to reply, cheers for the info. If I hit a plateau I may consider using some creatine ethyl ester.

[Flex Fuckwell]

Creatine and protein.
I'm a monster!!!
:box1:

[Mark G]

Is Whey protein safe?

[Hut*Hut]

Pay Day today, Im going on a bit of a supplement splurge today!

Shopping list:
5kg Whey
Phosphagen HP
L-Glutamine
Udo's Choice
Adam's Multi

[Keiko]

Flax Seed Supplements! Flaxseed is very high in omega-3 essential fatty acids!

[Ice Black]

Alcohol and ganga :devilfinger:

Cheerz!!

[El tanke]

Whey protein and HotRox.
Seems to work well for me.

[El tanke]

Is Whey protein safe?
as far as I know,it is but not too much.
You have to limit it

[Manowar]

i just threw out a huge tub of whey protein powder. I've had it in my pantry for years. No matter how much I blend it there are always clumps of powder in my shake. Tastes awful. I've tried adding a bunch of stuff to it like fruits, veggie/herbal powders, traces of omega fish oils, etc... that stuff made it taste a bit better but it still was pretty bad. Nowdays I just stick to a good old well balanced diet. I try to do Gluten free as much as possible, antiinflammatory foods, high fiber, flax seeds, quinoa, buckwheat, etc

[CAMEL KILLER]

Winny and Clen stack....

[Big Bear]

Monster DROL i believe by Vita Sport.

[Flex Fuckwell]

I've been taking NO2 black with my brother when I work out with him. Damn! That is the only sup I ever took that you can notice a change in your strength and endurance!

[CHUCHU]

Winny and Clen stack....



Clen is fucking useless and the headaches are intolerable.

[Rebel]

Clen is fucking useless and the headaches are intolerable.
What are some of your favoring supplements?

You don't like creatine?

[CHUCHU]

What are some of your favoring supplements?

You don't like creatine?

I dont work out much anymore. :lol:

I dont take anything at all anymore.

If I do take anything its a protein bar. I like the cell tech bars/meso tech bars (are they still called this?). I love the peanut butter flavor. :yummy:


If I were serious again, Id probably only rely on proper nutrition and protein bars.


Im just not into the buff thing anymore. I just try to remain relatively lean.
I lost most of my muscle. My arms used to be 17 inches (one was 17 the other was 16 3/4 or so). Now Id be lucky to have 15's. :lol:

[CHUCHU]

What are some of your favoring supplements?

You don't like creatine?

Creatine is potentially destructive. My kidneys have enough to work on. Besides, all these creatine drinks do is make me break out with acne and gets my face chubby.

I forgot to mention that I do take OTC stimulants. I miss ephedrine. :crying:

[sanchito]

Creatine is potentially destructive. My kidneys have enough to work on. Besides, all these creatine drinks do is make me break out with acne and gets my face chubby.

I forgot to mention that I do take OTC stimulants. I miss ephedrine. :crying:
Crystal was a nice cleanish high back when ephederine was legal.

[BJ*]

Creatine is potentially destructive. My kidneys have enough to work on. Besides, all these creatine drinks do is make me break out with acne and gets my face chubby.



Are you confusing the fact that creatinine clearance is used to measure kidney function with the idea that creatINE is somehow damaging to the kidneys? thats not really how it works...

i will explain it simplistically but you can look into it further if you really want to learn:
as muscle tissue breaks down, creatinine is created as a metabolite of creatine...in most people, creatinine is created at a fairly consistent rate...it is then eliminated via the kidneys...because it is SO consistent and easy to measure, it is used as a gauge of kidney function. Now...theoretically, by supplementing creatINE, some could be converted to creatinine...thus your level of creatinine may go up slightly (but note: someone with more muscle mass than typical will also have elevated creatinine). Its just a marker...not a causation type of situation.

any chemical eliminated by the kidneys theoretically could be used...creatinine is just easy because its fairly constant.

as I mentioned before creatine is one of very FEW supplements studied in Humans.

As for what it does to your face...maybe you are just ugly...just a thought.

[Rebel]

Nice ownage BJ. :funny:

Personally, creatine has always been good to me. Unfortunately, I can't say the same about my experience with andro 7 years ago.

[BJ*]

I tried Andro back in the day...no results...years later i found out it was the real deal and i was like WTF??? :headscratch:
I had friends though that got acne as a result...whats funny is my friends getting acne is what got me excited to try it. "cool, it must be some good shit" :lol:

[CHUCHU]

Are you confusing the fact that creatinine clearance is used to measure kidney function with the idea that creatINE is somehow damaging to the kidneys? thats not really how it works...

i will explain it simplistically but you can look into it further if you really want to learn:
as muscle tissue breaks down, creatinine is created as a metabolite of creatine...in most people, creatinine is created at a fairly consistent rate...it is then eliminated via the kidneys...because it is SO consistent and easy to measure, it is used as a gauge of kidney function. Now...theoretically, by supplementing creatINE, some could be converted to creatinine...thus your level of creatinine may go up slightly (but note: someone with more muscle mass than typical will also have elevated creatinine). Its just a marker...not a causation type of situation.

any chemical eliminated by the kidneys theoretically could be used...creatinine is just easy because its fairly constant.

as I mentioned before creatine is one of very FEW supplements studied in Humans.

As for what it does to your face...maybe you are just ugly...just a thought.


haha

your educating me on creatinine clearance? hahaha how about glomerular filtration rate?



Psst. Im an RN and Im in grad school to become a nurse practitioner. I think I know the difference between creatine and creatinine. lol

AND you know this, I remember you trying to educate me on regular insulin half life or something of that nature.



When your kidneys are on overdrive for something else, as are my kidneys are, taking creatine is not advised.


Are you diabetic?

[CHUCHU]

I tried Andro back in the day...no results...years later i found out it was the real deal and i was like WTF??? :headscratch:
I had friends though that got acne as a result...whats funny is my friends getting acne is what got me excited to try it. "cool, it must be some good shit" :lol:


Andro was crap. I dont know anyone who benefited from that shit. All they got were zits, like you mentioned.

[BJ*]

haha

your educating me on creatinine clearance? hahaha how about glomerular filtration rate?



Psst. Im an RN and Im in grad school to become a nurse practitioner. I think I know the difference between creatine and creatinine. lol

AND you know this, I remember you trying to educate me on regular insulin half life or something of that nature.



When your kidneys are on overdrive for something else, as are my kidneys are, taking creatine is not advised.


Are you diabetic?

are you asking for an education on GFR?
i'd be glad to help...what questions do you have?

for a tip though, nephron.com will calculate GFR if you need it and your lab does not provide it. I know a lot of nurses that just keep it bookmarked. Its free...no registration, etc

no i am not diabetic...you? (but its my business to have in depth knowledge of the disease)

your statement was that creatine is potentially destructive...not that YOU had a particular problem associated with creatine (though that sounds iffy as I have not heard of any precautions...seriously are you diabetic? There are current studies looking at creatine and glucose tolerance that you may be interested in).

and i think i was educating you on the role incretin hormones GLP-1 and GIP have in stimulating the release of insulin and halting the production of glucagon...i educate RNs and MDs on this stuff everyday so don't feel bad :lol:

the fact that you made the kidney/creatine statement with your background makes a lot of sense actually...you have just enough knowledge to know about creatine, creatinine and renal function, but have not bothered to look into it...thats how this whole misconception was started...a person with no background would never have even considered renal function...

Finally, my explanation was not just directed at YOU but rather to help anyone reading...there IS a misconception re: Creatine/Kidneys...a person without the background may be led to believe it is a real problem due to creatinine confusion.

Also, if you are continuing your education, you might consider opening up to learning new things from other people...people far smarter than you need new information everyday...new clinical data that was not available when they were in school...when you are an NP (and even now) you may not have time to keep up with every journal to pour over new studies...you CAN learn from other people... just as certainly as there are MANY areas you could educate me on I'm sure. Even if your textbooks were printed 6 months ago, there is STILL new data that you may not have. So in all sincerity, if you have any Qs regarding any new studies involving treatment of diabetes, lipids, etc...I may be able to help.

[Rebel]

Any updates on your favorite supplements?

I haven't taken creatine in about 3-4 months because it was causing me to break out a lot on my back.

I'm now looking into incorporating another supplement, but haven't decided on which one to go with. Right now I'm just eating a ton of meat, fish, eggs, etc... It's one of those high protein/low carb diets with a cheat day in there every two weeks or so.

[Big Bear]

I just got done taking a cycle of the CREAKIC, LEUKIC, and GAKIC from Muscletech. They are all pills and i liked the results i got. Especially the way the GAKIC made me feel in the gym. Be careful cause it's pretty potent.

I have the creatine from Muscletech but it makes me naushis so i take it every once in a while. I'm giving my body a rest for about a month with the supplements. Even though i'm considering a fat burner to hep speed up losing the beer belly.

REBEL, where are you at in your work out goals? Did you beef up like you wanted?

[Flex Fuckwell]

Still just NOS, creatine and whey protien.
I broke 18" on the biceps, I am now going for 20"!! Back to a 30" waist as well.
My abs are also ripped. You have to do weights with your abs to get those deep grooves for your six-pack!

[Laztrooper]

Bump

Was curious what you guys are on atm as I am looking into adding a few supplements. For the most part I have just been eating well and the only supplement I take is whey.

[Hut*Hut]

Bump

Was curious what you guys are on atm as I am looking into adding a few supplements. For the most part I have just been eating well and the only supplement I take is whey.

10g fish oil
Adam now multivitamin
Soluble Vitamin C
ZMA
whey

A good multi & fish oil are the only 'necessary' ones.

[BJ*]

i tried a bottle of zma once

you feel any better? sleep?
i always hear about people having vivid dreams :lol:
didn't have that effect on me

[Hut*Hut]

i tried a bottle of zma once

you feel any better? sleep?
i always hear about people having vivid dreams :lol:
didn't have that effect on me

Nah, Ive never had any wacky sleep on it, but it depends on how deficient you are in zinc & magnesium I suppose. It's just meant to correct deficiencies it's not a magic potion. FWIW, Ive heard Poliquin say it often takes 3 months or so of consistent intake before you correct that deficiency, then you can scale the intake down to below the recommended dosage. I only just started taking it consistently so I'll report back if I start getting wacked out dreams in a few weeks. But apparently about a third of men aren't deficient in zinc or magnesium anyway so it'll have little effect on them. I say it's better to be safe than sorry anyway, so I'm gonna take it for the 3 months then scale back.:thumb:

[Flex Fuckwell]

Before work outs.
Creatine pills, the powder makes me bloat, and NOS pills. Ditto on the pills vs. powder on NOS.

Multi vit.
Melatonin before bed sometimes.
Fish oil, and flaxseed oil.
Lots of fucking too!

[Rebel]

Before work outs.
Creatine pills, the powder makes me bloat, and NOS pills. Ditto on the pills vs. powder on NOS.

Multi vit.
Melatonin before bed sometimes.
Fish oil, and flaxseed oil.
Lots of fucking too!

You must have big forearms. :haha:

[Hut*Hut]

Before work outs.
Creatine pills, the powder makes me bloat, and NOS pills. Ditto on the pills vs. powder on NOS.

Multi vit.
Melatonin before bed sometimes.
Fish oil, and flaxseed oil.
Lots of fucking too!

whats the melatonin like? Any noticeable effects?

[Flex Fuckwell]

You must have big forearms. :haha:

Like fucking popeye dude!!!

[Flex Fuckwell]

whats the melatonin like? Any noticeable effects?

It is a natural precursor to an amino acid that makes you sleep more soundly. The biggest benefit is, that your muscles heal bettter and recover quicker as you sleep with it. So, if you hit the gym like a maniac, like me, it is a great plus!

[Hut*Hut]

It is a natural precursor to an amino acid that makes you sleep more soundly. The biggest benefit is, that your muscles heal bettter and recover quicker as you sleep with it. So, if you hit the gym like a maniac, like me, it is a great plus!

Did you find it noticeably easier to sleep? I tried gaba for a while and it's effects weren't that great as a sleep aid, although you certainly felt something from it.

[Flex Fuckwell]

Did you find it noticeably easier to sleep? I tried gaba for a while and it's effects weren't that great as a sleep aid, although you certainly felt something from it.

I am out cold, and when I wake up I am not groggy, and I actually feel great.

[Flex Fuckwell]

I'm suprised no one put Marquez piss as a supplement.

[SuperJ]

Do any of you have an opinion on CLA?

[BJ*]

i don't know anyone who really takes it.

some companies make a fish oil supplement that has EPA/DHA AND CLA.

there was one study that showed it helped obese mice...but when it came on the market originally the study done on humans showed fucking nada (like most supplements). Another showed some effect but the dose was high

apparently its come back into vogue...check the concentration on what you buy/bought...the dose has to be super high for any effect...like 6 grams a day...thats the thing with MOST supplements...they do a study on mice, infuse them with HUGE quantities of whatever is being studied...then sell it to humans but financially no one could/would pay for the amount required for any effect.

this is even the case with Fish Oil...now widely studied and known to be beneficial...ask Hut Hut - he said he's taking 10 grams...he is rare but has obviously paid attention...most people pop one pill a day (cuz they pay $30 for 30 pills) and are probably getting about half a gram...

i can't say i am an expert but i do like to read about these things...for me, the jury is out on CLA.

[Hut*Hut]

Do any of you have an opinion on CLA?

TBH, I've never heard it listed by any of the people who's opinions I'd consider to count (ie impartial, properly experienced people who aren't trying to sell something) as being useful. In fact Lyle Mcdonald explicitly said it was worthless so I'd personally save my money.

Fish Oil is proven to be good for fat loss.....and quite a few people worth listening to quite like green tea too. FWIW just a really high protien intake and cutting down carbs ('specially after say 5pm) will have a way bigger impact than any sup.

[BJ*]

the big one last year was resveratrol...i'd read about it in my magazines and my wife's...little "health" blurbs advocating the benefits of resveratrol, a compound found in red wine (i think...sketchy on the details)...of course resveratrol supplements were everywhere.

dig deeper and find that the study this was all based on was with mice who were INJECTED with huge amounts of the compound...the human equivalent would be like 10,000 barrels of wine :lol: meanwhile, some small amount was put into capsules with no mention of whether this pittance would even make its way through the GI tract :slap:


like i said, even with fish oil, MOST people are not taking enough to get any benefit

[R_jay]

Did you find it noticeably easier to sleep? I tried gaba for a while and it's effects weren't that great as a sleep aid, although you certainly felt something from it.

Melatonin is a hormone which is released by the pineal gland and governs the circadian rhythm, ie the innate ability to distinguish night and day for sleep cycles. If you have aberrant melatonin release, oral melatonin tablets are very effective in inducing sleep onset. So if you are jetlagged, they are as effect at inducing sleep as ambien. If you melatonin cycles are normal, then taking it will have no effect at all as you already have sufficient melatonin levels to induce sleep. If you suffer from sleeping problems like insomnia, taking melatonin most likely won't do anything. I take it when I've slept in after a late night partying, I often find I won't be able to get to sleep the night after presumably because I've screwed with my sleeping rhythm. It seems to help.

On the thread topic, I'm of the belief that 90% of supplements are complete garbage designed to scam you of your money.

[Hut*Hut]

Melatonin is a hormone which is released by the pineal gland and governs the circadian rhythm, ie the innate ability to distinguish night and day for sleep cycles. If you have aberrant melatonin release, oral melatonin tablets are very effective in inducing sleep onset. So if you are jetlagged, they are as effect at inducing sleep as ambien. If you melatonin cycles are normal, then taking it will have no effect at all as you already have sufficient melatonin levels to induce sleep. If you suffer from sleeping problems like insomnia, taking melatonin most likely won't do anything. I take it when I've slept in after a late night partying, I often find I won't be able to get to sleep the night after presumably because I've screwed with my sleeping rhythm. It seems to help.

On the thread topic, I'm of the belief that 90% of supplements are complete garbage designed to scam you of your money.

I see, cheers. I work security in a club, so i have few very late nights a week. sounds like it might be worth me trying

[SuperJ]

Thank you.

[Flex Fuckwell]

Melatonin is a hormone which is released by the pineal gland and governs the circadian rhythm, ie the innate ability to distinguish night and day for sleep cycles. If you have aberrant melatonin release, oral melatonin tablets are very effective in inducing sleep onset. So if you are jetlagged, they are as effect at inducing sleep as ambien. If you melatonin cycles are normal, then taking it will have no effect at all as you already have sufficient melatonin levels to induce sleep. If you suffer from sleeping problems like insomnia, taking melatonin most likely won't do anything. I take it when I've slept in after a late night partying, I often find I won't be able to get to sleep the night after presumably because I've screwed with my sleeping rhythm. It seems to help.

On the thread topic, I'm of the belief that 90% of supplements are complete garbage designed to scam you of your money.

Check out the big brain on R-Jay.

Thanks for the info.
Also, when I was a personal trainer. The text books and test, all frowned on taking supplements. I do take them. Because, I know I will not eat the daily reccomendations. Also, stress, and polution depletes vitamins. I don't choke down a shit load of pills.

When I lift weights, I like L-Aginine AKG, or NOS before with Creatine pills, after the workout Whey protein.
I do take a mulit-vitamin, Flaxseed oil, and Fish oil. Glucosimine for my joints, as well.

[wade]

Protein powders consist mainly of protein and mostly whey but there are a number of blends available.


Protein bars are also a good supplement especially if you want to replace your beloved candy bar with a nutritious and still chewy bar. Since fructose is mostly used as a sweetener in supplement bars.

[Ron Champ Miller]

Protein powders consist mainly of protein and mostly whey but there are a number of blends available.


Protein bars are also a good supplement especially if you want to replace your beloved candy bar with a nutritious and still chewy bar. Since fructose is mostly used as a sweetener in supplement bars.

i tried the snickers protein bar a while back..too chalky

[Rebel]

Anyone ever taken USP's Jack 3D?

http://www.keysupplements.com/images/USP-Labs-Jack3d.jpg

I just bought it the other day to help me get back into working out consistently. It's basically a pre-workout mix.

The recommended dose is 1-3 scoops. The first day I started with 1 scoop. I felt nothing. The second day I took 2 scoops. I felt nothing. The 3rd day I took the max, 3 scoops. Wow!!!! This stuff made me feel wired up like a meth head. It was so damn powerful, I had trouble sleeping.

If anyone is looking for an effective pre-workout mix to really get you in the mood to workout, I highly recommend this stuff. It also seems to increase pumps.

[Flex Fuckwell]

How does it taste? About a year ago I bought Cell Mass, and the counter part. I can't remember its name. Tasted repugnant!!!!

[Rebel]

How does it taste? About a year ago I bought Cell Mass, and the counter part. I can't remember its name. Tasted repugnant!!!!
I bought the lime. It's actually not too bad. It tastes like slightly sour lime Kool-Aid.

[Flex Fuckwell]

Cell Mass, and what ever the other one is. Had a great review. They said get Artic Blueberry in Musclemag. YUCH! My kids loved watching me drink it though. The face I must of made, was quite entertaining to them. I told them it tasted like an old shoe, and they'd laugh.
By the way. The cheap 6 star product at Walmart, or Target. For about $20, actually worked better for me than this $60 shit! Give 6 Star a try.

[Ron Champ Miller]

used to take cell mass and no xplode..me and my buddy..

[Flex Fuckwell]

used to take cell mass and no xplode..me and my buddy..

That's it!
NO Xplode! The most repugnant shit you'll ever taste!

[wade]

There is no argument that low carb protein bars make great replacements for meals or simply as snacks especially if you want to lose weight with a high-protein diet.

[Flex Fuckwell]

Just got Xpand. The caffine free one. F-ing great stuff! Great taste too!