Mini Ode to a Motherfucker

[mex fighter]

In this lean time of fighters we actually want to see, will there ever be another fighter that fought with the devil inside? I mean, Roberto Duran WANTED to hurt you, fuck that sportsmanship crap. His fight with Davey Moore was beautiful for its viciousness. His first fight with Leonard was beautiful for its determination, and add the fact that he did that silly little hop afterward, then pushed leonards head basically telling him "fuck you, bitch, i won!". Thats not to mention his fight with barkley, cuevas, palomino, buchanan, etc.

I don't know, I just feel like ranting. Boxing has too many problems right now, and I feel we need another Duran.....good luck with all these primadonnas today.

fuck you, rant over.

[Rebel]

No, the sport is going to soon be reduced to thugs who love to pick, peck, run, hug, and molest their opponents with love taps. Boxing is doomed...

[mex fighter]

seriously, who out there is like duran? shit, who out there is like julian jackson or tommy hearns?

sure, we have pac, we have rafa marquez, but they are 1/10 what the above mentioned were. (ok, maybe not 1/10, but you get the picture)

ok, NOW, rant over

[Valdosta]

There's plenty of talent in boxing. Not a lot of name recognition overall but plenty of fighters worth watching. Anyone crying because a guy "boxes", should shut the fuck up.

[mex fighter]

do you really get "amped" up for today's fighters? i'm not being nostalgic or a hopeless romantic, i think i'm saying the truth.

if the best fight made in a long ass time is what we got Saturday, then yes, we are going to cry and NOT STFU about it. there has to be a better product for the money. we'll talk with our wallets and with our ratings.

[TyrantT316]

do you really get "amped" up for today's fighters? i'm not being nostalgic or a hopeless romantic, i think i'm saying the truth.

if the best fight made in a long ass time is what we got Saturday, then yes, we are going to cry and NOT STFU about it. there has to be a better product for the money. we'll talk with our wallets and with our ratings.

What about all of the fights that have been made and the ones yet to take place? Miranda/Pavlik? Hatton/Castillo? Margarito/Williams? Cotto/Judah?

There is not one thing wrong with many of today's fights...it is just politics in boxing that devalue the fighters and fights of today...

one of many solutions?

put Margarito/Williams on same card as Mayweather/DeLaHoya...

or

have "setup fight" cards like the last Hatton/Castillo double header on network television in order to setup their PPV bout.

Nothing wrong with hyping a fight like Mayweather/DLH the way it was hyped...you can't ever tell how a fight will or will not turn out...just as some fights get hyped and disappoint...there are just as many fights that don't get hyped, but surprise us or don't disappoint.

so hype isn't a problem...

another solution...for a 60/40 purse split...60 to the winner, 40 to the loser...so fights won't simply fight or quit because they know they are destined to make $$$ amount of dollars.

we do have many good fighters and good fights made and yet to be made...just like ANY sport however, it is hard to glorify athletes of today as compared to yesteryear...it happens in ALL sports...

[mex fighter]

ok, decent fighters you mentioned....not outstanding like a duran, which was my point in the first place.

as for glorifying....bullshit. baseball has plenty of excellent players to glorify....so does football, basketball, and even golf.

boxing DOESN'T.

[Valdosta]

Anyone who bought ODLH-Mayweather and expected a war just don't follow the sport that closely. ODLH-Mayweather wasn't the best fight that could be made, just the biggest event. There's a big difference. I look forward to even middle of road fights if the styles call for it. Pavlik-Miranda for example. There's plenty of guys worth watching in the sport right now.

[mex fighter]

pavlik-miranda....and you wonder why the sport is dying. duran would eat both of them for dinner and ask for seconds.

listen, all i said is that there is no one like duran anymore, and i don't see anyone like him on the horizon. if you don't like it, tough cookies.

[O-Dogg33]

There's plenty of talent in boxing. Not a lot of name recognition overall but plenty of fighters worth watching. Anyone crying because a guy "boxes", should shut the fuck up.

I'm not a fan of Olympic boxing or Amateur boxing. I don't watch it to see someone outpoint the other guy. This is professional prize fighting. If a guy like Floyd is getting paid $15million dollars to fight someone then yes he "owes" it to the fans to entertain them and give them their money's worth especially when for 6 months all he does is talk about how badly he is going to beat someone.

Nobody owes Floyd shit. He chose to be a boxer. If he doesn't want to get hit he should have been a point guard. Then again Steve Nash has more balls than him.

[Rabid Kimba]

i'm not being nostalgic or a hopeless romantic, i think i'm saying the truth.

You could've fooled me, homo.

http://www.moiblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/cblanco_no.jpg

:lol:

[mex fighter]

i'm talking about our sport which is lacking a bad motherfucker. you know i'm right.

[Valdosta]

boxing where the point is to hit and not get hit back. When you get a fight with Floyd you know what you are getting. ANYONE in their right fucking mind with Floyd's talents is going to fight exactly like he does. People on this forum act like getting punched in the face is fun.

[Valdosta]

What's wrong with guys like Pacquiao,Diaz,Marquez,Cotto etc?

[Rabid Kimba]

boxing where the point is to hit and not get hit back. When you get a fight with Floyd you know what you are getting. ANYONE in their right fucking mind with Floyd's talents is going to fight exactly like he does. People on this forum act like getting punched in the face is fun.

And speaking of homos, when da FUCK are you EVER going to STFU about your Pretty Boy?

Jesus, this thread is not even about him.

:piss2:

[Valdosta]

And speaking of homos, when da FUCK are you EVER going to STFU about your Pretty Boy?

Jesus, this thread is not even about him.

:piss2:

Read a bit closer you obsessed asshole. Mexfighter made a reference to the Floyd-ODLH fight and I responded.

[O-Dogg33]

boxing where the point is to hit and not get hit back. When you get a fight with Floyd you know what you are getting. ANYONE in their right fucking mind with Floyd's talents is going to fight exactly like he does. People on this forum act like getting punched in the face is fun.

Your right I know what I'm getting when I watch Floyd....shit.
That's why I don't pay to watch him fight. That's why nobody had even seen him before this fight. His fights are boring and gutless. He is way overpaid for what he brings to the table. Zahir Raheem should be a multi millionaire too if scoring and defense were all that mattered. But he doesn't run his big mouth about how he is the greatest ever and didn't have a promoter to protect his precious 0.

Your purpose in that ring should be to finish the fight not outpoint the guy.

[mex fighter]

Nothing wrong with them, but they didn't fight with the devil inside of them like Duran did.

[Rabid Kimba]

Read a bit closer you obsessed asshole.

Hey, you take it easy when you talk to me.

:mex:

[mex fighter]

I wonder if I start a thread about how Schmeling didn't want to represent the Nazi party, Valdosta would somehow defend PBF and his pussy style in it?

[Valdosta]

Your purpose in that ring should be to finish the fight not outpoint the guy.

The purpose is to win. As long as what you do is within the rules. A fighter boxing, is certainly within the rules of boxing. LOL. Not every fighter has to be a brawler. Skills are allowed inside the ring.

[Valdosta]

I wonder if I start a thread about how Schmeling didn't want to represent the Nazi party, Valdosta would somehow defend PBF and his pussy style in it?

Only if people started bashing Floyd in a thread in which it's not warranted. Shit Floyd isn't even my favorite fighter but people bash him constantly in every thread. Pay attention to my posts and you will see I am usually responding to an ignorant previous post. :coolio:

[Rabid Kimba]

I wonder if I start a thread about how Schmeling didn't want to represent the Nazi party, Valdosta would somehow defend PBF and his pussy style in it?

:nod: :lol:

[mex fighter]

bottom line, do you agree with me in my original post, yes or no?

[Rabid Kimba]

Floyd isn't even my favorite fighter

...and I HATE drinking beer.

:lol:

[mex fighter]

The purpose is to win. As long as what you do is within the rules. A fighter boxing, is certainly within the rules of boxing. LOL. Not every fighter has to be a brawler. Skills are allowed inside the ring.duran had skills and was a brawler.

thats all we ask for.

[Valdosta]

Not really because I see nothing wrong with the Pacquiao and Diaz's of the world (although I don't like Diaz).

[Rabid Kimba]

bottom line, do you agree with me in my original post, yes or no?

Who me?

Yes, we badly need another Duran.

:thumb:

[Valdosta]

...and I HATE drinking beer.

:lol:

Do a search, Floyd was never #1 on my list.

[Valdosta]

duran had skills and was a brawler.

thats all we ask for.

Duran had good skills but most come foward fighters have a lot less than Duran.

[Rabid Kimba]

Not really because I see nothing wrong with the Diaz's of the world (although I don't like Diaz).

Big shocker, yet another beaner hatin' comment.

:smiles::

[Mark G]

Your purpose in that ring should be to finish the fight not outpoint the guy.


Doing the smallest amount of fighting possible and winning by so called "out pointing" is a disturbing trend that does nothing but turn away fans. Even most hardcore fans don't want to see that ind of fight.

In professional boxing, skills should be used to kick ass. They are a means to an end. That is what most of the greatest fighters have used them for, and that is what drives the passion that is the engine of the sport. When skills are misapplied to avoid a fight, rather than triumphing in a "fight," it tempers the spirit of fans, it turns a bullfight into an ice-skating ballet, it turns a battle into ballroom dancing. And testosterone charged boxing fans don't want that shit.

[O-Dogg33]

The purpose is to win. As long as what you do is within the rules. A fighter boxing, is certainly within the rules of boxing. LOL. Not every fighter has to be a brawler. Skills are allowed inside the ring.

That's why I said "should". I know that's not the rules but my feelings toward boxing are that it's a man's sport. It's the ultimate sport of blood and guts and yes skill. Roberto Duran had skill, Robinson had skill, Chavez had skill. But they also had the tenacity and heart to always put it on the line and leave it in the ring. You should use your skills to blast the other guy out not pot shot him 5 times a round and run hoping for a decision. That's like playing 4 corners offense in basketball holding the ball so you win 2-0.

[Rabid Kimba]

+1 on both Mark and dogg

:thumb:

[Mark G]

You should use your skills to blast the other guy out not pot shot him 5 times a round and run hoping for a decision. That's like playing 4 corners offense in basketball holding the ball so you win 2-0.

Well said. Skills are for kicking ass, not avoiding a fight.

[O-Dogg33]

Doing the smallest amount of fighting possible and winning by so called "out pointing" is a disturbing trend that does nothing but turn away fans. Even most hardcore fans don't want to see that ind of fight.

In professional boxing, skills should be used to kick ass. They are a means to an end. That is what most of the greatest fighters have used them for, and that is what drives the passion that is the engine of the sport. When skills are misapplied to avoid a fight, rather than triumphing in a "fight," it tempers the spirit of fans, it turns a bullfight into an ice-skating ballet, it turns a battle into ballroom dancing. And testosterone charged boxing fans don't want that shit.

Posted right after you but yes we agree on this!

[mex fighter]

Duran had good skills but most come foward fighters have a lot less than Duran.

so, my ode to a bad motherfucker was spot on.

[Valdosta]

Skills are meant to win. Floyd boxes guy who he should box. Guys like ODLH and Baldomir are so much bigger than he is. If he can fuck a guy up with his skills though like the gatti fight he does. he gave Corley a pretty wicked beating as well. Floyd's smart, you don't walk down guys who have a great chin and that are bigger than you.

[mex fighter]

ok, fine. let the trend continue. in 5 years, we'll be wishing today's stars laid it on the line and kept the sport alive.

this fucking WWE/UFC seems like a real threat. with pussies like mayweather being the big name in our sport, we are doomed.

[Mark G]

Skills are meant to win. Floyd boxes guy who he should box. Guys like ODLH and Baldomir are so much bigger than he is. If he can fuck a guy up with his skills though like the gatti fight he does. he gave Corley a pretty wicked beating as well. Floyd's smart, you don't walk down guys who have a great chin and that are bigger than you.


The adage "a win is a win" does not tell the whole story in a sport like boxing. Doing the bare minimum to get a safety first "W" is not what has made the sport memorable, or any fighter memorable for that matter.

[Rebel]

pavlik-miranda....and you wonder why the sport is dying. duran would eat both of them for dinner and ask for seconds.

listen, all i said is that there is no one like duran anymore, and i don't see anyone like him on the horizon. if you don't like it, tough cookies.

Well Duran is arguably top 3 all-time so we probably won't ever see someone like him again. However, give me 5-10 Pacquiaos or Rafael Marquezes and the sport will explode again. I get what you're saying though.

[Rebel]

I'm not a fan of Olympic boxing or Amateur boxing. I don't watch it to see someone outpoint the other guy. This is professional prize fighting. If a guy like Floyd is getting paid $15million dollars to fight someone then yes he "owes" it to the fans to entertain them and give them their money's worth especially when for 6 months all he does is talk about how badly he is going to beat someone.

Nobody owes Floyd shit. He chose to be a boxer. If he doesn't want to get hit he should have been a point guard. Then again Steve Nash has more balls than him.
There's really nothing wrong with what he's doing. The problem for me is that he does that whilst claiming to be one of the elite all-time greats. That's far from the truth considering how he bodes in comparison to great fighters of yesterday when the analyses are applied. The worst part is that many uneducated boxing viewers have bought into his shit unjustifiably.

[Bouffant_Spectacular]

Someone brought up amateur boxing earlier and I think that is exactly what is wrong with the pro ranks. When fights are won or lost purely on the number of times you can peck an opponent you're going to get an attitude based on that going into the pros. That's not to say all boxers with an amateur pedigree are going to fight like that, but let's face it, we've all seen fighters come out of the amateurs who have a difficult time adjusting to the "pro" style.

IMO, the amateur rule change was a terrible mistake and we'll continue to see negative effects on boxing now and even more so in the future.

[Black Gatti]

What about all of the fights that have been made and the ones yet to take place? Miranda/Pavlik? Hatton/Castillo? Margarito/Williams? Cotto/Judah?

There is not one thing wrong with many of today's fights...it is just politics in boxing that devalue the fighters and fights of today...

one of many solutions?

put Margarito/Williams on same card as Mayweather/DeLaHoya...

or

have "setup fight" cards like the last Hatton/Castillo double header on network television in order to setup their PPV bout.

Nothing wrong with hyping a fight like Mayweather/DLH the way it was hyped...you can't ever tell how a fight will or will not turn out...just as some fights get hyped and disappoint...there are just as many fights that don't get hyped, but surprise us or don't disappoint.

so hype isn't a problem...

another solution...for a 60/40 purse split...60 to the winner, 40 to the loser...so fights won't simply fight or quit because they know they are destined to make $$$ amount of dollars.

we do have many good fighters and good fights made and yet to be made...just like ANY sport however, it is hard to glorify athletes of today as compared to yesteryear...it happens in ALL sports...

very well said.

[Black Gatti]

pavlik-miranda....and you wonder why the sport is dying. duran would eat both of them for dinner and ask for seconds.

listen, all i said is that there is no one like duran anymore, and i don't see anyone like him on the horizon. if you don't like it, tough cookies.

why create a thread, ask for opinions, then shoot down everyone that replies?

[Black Gatti]

Nothing wrong with them, but they didn't fight with the devil inside of them like Duran did.

Man, go make a different thread. This is ridiculous.

Duran is a top 5 fighter (all time) ...even higher on the list of intense, animal like fighters, so if you are asking when we can get an exact replica of him, it could be a while. How many did we have before him, other than Armstrong & Dempsey?

[Mofongo]

ok, fine. let the trend continue. in 5 years, we'll be wishing today's stars laid it on the line and kept the sport alive.

this fucking WWE/UFC seems like a real threat. with pussies like mayweather being the big name in our sport, we are doomed.
Gee, thanks for the most depressing post of the the year so far.

[mex fighter]

Man, go make a different thread. This is ridiculous.

Duran is a top 5 fighter (all time) ...even higher on the list of intense, animal like fighters, so if you are asking when we can get an exact replica of him, it could be a while. How many did we have before him, other than Armstrong & Dempsey?

i guess you didn't get my point. we need fighters that fight the way duran did. we need fighters that are truly badasses like duran was. we need fighters that talk shit and mean it like duran did.

duran is a latin guy that didn't speak english yet the whole world knew of him. the whole world wanted to watch him fight because he was fucking unpredictable, even in a loss like the one vs hearns.

[mex fighter]

Gee, thanks for the most depressing post of the the year so far.
who's the next superstar, juan diaz?

gee, another fighter that can't knock anyone out cleanly.

[mex fighter]

why create a thread, ask for opinions, then shoot down everyone that replies?

nope, just the ones that disagree because i'm right.

[Punchy]

Hey, you take it easy when you talk to me.

:mex:
:lol:

[O-Dogg33]

Too bad Edwin Valero can't fight here yet. From what I've seen he is a fighter that isn't satisfied unless he gets a knockout. A Pacman-Valero fight will truly be something to witness!

[Black Gatti]

i guess you didn't get my point. we need fighters that fight the way duran did. we need fighters that are truly badasses like duran was. we need fighters that talk shit and mean it like duran did.

duran is a latin guy that didn't speak english yet the whole world knew of him. the whole world wanted to watch him fight because he was fucking unpredictable, even in a loss like the one vs hearns.

Their are plenty badasses by that definition.

Mayorga, Peter, Maranda, Lacy , Ouma, Margarito etc ... They all talk shit, mean it & try to back it up in the ring. So if that's what you're looking for, there you have it. But if you're looking for somebody like that w/ the skill of Duran, see my previous post.

[hazza]

In this lean time of fighters we actually want to see, will there ever be another fighter that fought with the devil inside? I mean, Roberto Duran WANTED to hurt you, fuck that sportsmanship crap. His fight with Davey Moore was beautiful for its viciousness. His first fight with Leonard was beautiful for its determination, and add the fact that he did that silly little hop afterward, then pushed leonards head basically telling him "fuck you, bitch, i won!". Thats not to mention his fight with barkley, cuevas, palomino, buchanan, etc.

I don't know, I just feel like ranting. Boxing has too many problems right now, and I feel we need another Duran.....good luck with all these primadonnas today.

fuck you, rant over.

i agree. i made the same point in my tito vs mayorga thread. i'm sick of safety first technicians, fuck that, we want a good old fashioned brawl. the names you mention, hearns, duran, throw tyson in there too. the reason those guys are so known is for their direct, full on styles. tito too. we need punchers, bangers, not pitty pat runners ffs.