DLH/Mayweather - Round by Round

[Michael Matos]

I could use an update or two

[Valdosta]

Sure, Juarez just won a unanimus decision and put everyone to sleep.

[Michael Matos]

Was wondering why I never got an immediate response. Thanks Val.

[Valdosta]

Batista-Medina was a pretty good fight. Batista outworked him for the most part but medina had Batista in BAD trouble at 1 point. Batista's defense sucks.

[Michael Matos]

A disaster ready to happen?

[Valdosta]

Ponce should knock him out. Bad defense,mediocre chin so yeah the Fillipino hype on him will be short lived. Has a nice offensive arsenal but the chin/defense combo will get him soon.

[Michael Matos]

Thats saying something. I saw Ponce fight on the Barrera-Marquez undercard when I was in Vegas, can't say I was terribly impressed. His best move to me it taking out his own mouthpiece at the bell and handing it to his corner before he sits on his stool.

[Valdosta]

Yeah, Ponce can take a punch though and delivers a good punch as well. Both have a bad defense so I take the guy with a better chin. I saw Batista dropped preiviously as well. He's hype,hype,hype IMO unless he can make big improvements. They are rushing him though if they have him fight Ponce next.

[Michael Matos]

Ponce is a winger, the guy touched him a few times. The fight wasn't a dud at all.

[Michael Matos]

Mayweather entered the rign wearing a mexican flag on the back of his robe?

[CHUCHU]

Mayweather is wearing the mexican colors and a mariachi sombrero. The Bitch! BTW, fity is singing.

[Rebel]

PBF walking out wearing Mexican colors and sportin' a Mexican sombrero. :lol:

[Michael Matos]

Too funny

[CHUCHU]

Mayweather is wearing the mexican colors and a mariachi sombrero. The Bitch! BTW, fity is singing.

For mayweather

[CHUCHU]

The guy holding oscars belt (WBC) is my friend Tudi! Go Tudi! lol

[CHUCHU]

Round 2 to oscar

[Jeremy]

My Pick: De La Hoya TKO7 Mayweather

[Jeremy]

And ...

[Jeremy]

What happened to round 1?

[Valentino]

Even magic is at the fight.

[CHUCHU]

Mayweather by split decision

[Valdosta]

Reading around some thought Oscar won this fight? What because of missed flurries? Floyd was outworked in spots but he landed the better shots.

[EBIHARA63]

Reading around some thought Oscar won this fight? What because of missed flurries? Floyd was outworked in spots but he landed the better shots.Correct decision -Again PBF proves he is no runner,immaculate defense and hand speed.Hail PBF:clappy:

[CHUCHU]

Reading around some thought Oscar won this fight? What because of missed flurries? Floyd was outworked in spots but he landed the better shots.


He did. But oscar blocked A LOT of his shots. Oscar didnt do much, but neither did Floyd.


Im proud of Oscar! :yo:

[R_jay]

Most people here had it a draw, as did the commentators. I thought Oscar just eeked it out. The vast majority of Gayweather's shots were blocked by De La Hoya's gloves. Not that many clean shots all round, but De La Hoya's were clearly more effective.

[Valentino]

Everybody knows that ODLH is past his prime.

[lefthooker]

One judge gave it to Oscar outright.
Actually I had it a draw, 114-114.
There wasn't that much to it, to be honest.
Floyd was more accurate and elusive, DLH made the fight - initiated all the action - what there was of it.
Max Kellerman - of course - saw it as a total blow out for Mayweather...I didn't.
I have no problem with a split dec for Floyd, but it was hardly a 'dominant,vituoso performance' as Max put it.

[Valdosta]

Yes and Floyd is in his in his 5th weight class against a guy so much bigger than himself. Regardless, Floyd won the fight clearly in my eyes.

[Valdosta]

Max was right, no way ODLH won 7 rounds. I was hoping for a draw so I didn't lose my bet, but I knew oscar lost.

[EBIHARA63]

I thought oscar hit the wall in round 9,and did jack after that.The only rounds I clearly gave to oscar were 2,3 and 7:555:

[Smokin]

Floyd clearly won the fight.

The worldwide commentating was nearly enough to make you throw up.

DLH tried to pinch rounds running forward and landing pitty pat slaps - just didnt do enough for most rounds.

[CHUCHU]

Now the question remains, who sucks more mayweather cock, Valdosta or Kellerman??? hmmmm...

[EBIHARA63]

Floyd clearly won the fight.

The worldwide commentating was nearly enough to make you throw up.

DLH tried to pinch rounds running forward and landing pitty pat slaps - just didnt do enough for most rounds.:clappy:

[lefthooker]

Correct decision -Again PBF proves he is no runner,immaculate defense and hand speed.Hail PBF:clappy:

??? This performance impressed you?!
He proved he is a peck and grab defensive artist, but people should think again before mentioning him in the same breath as all-timers like Robinson, Armstrong and the like...he is a damn good fighter, but not in that league.
One thing I learned tonight...he would NOT beat a prime DLH...he barely eeked out a SD over an old Oscar.

[Eric0816]

They gave it to the better man. I dont know how in the world you could give that fight to Oscar though seeing Floyd crying and bitching after a robbery would have been priceless. Now Floyd will retire.:lol:

[Valdosta]

My thread asking why Floyd was a lock for this fight was also correct:clappy: Had Oscar been more commited to his jab he probably could have won this fight. When he got tired he quit using it altogether.

[Michael Matos]

ESPN just had Brian Kenny, Atlas and Stephen A Smith and they all saw the fight different. Kenny had it a draw, Atlas had Mayweather easy and Smith had Mayweather by a couple of points with a few even that he said could have gone to Oscar. Although he is changing his tune a bit as I write this.

[CHUCHU]

Floyd sure tries to make fights boring. He, however, deserved the decision.

[lefthooker]

Yes and Floyd is in his in his 5th weight class against a guy so much bigger than himself. Regardless, Floyd won the fight clearly in my eyes.

Isn't Oscar in his 5th weight class too?
And at almost 2 to 1 the younger PBF was SUPPOSED to have a pretty easy night, wasn't he?
I have no problem with the outcome, but all this gushing about how 'brilliant' Floyd was is pure fantasy.
He edged out a shop worn DeLeHoya - and didn't impress much in doing it IMO.

[EBIHARA63]

??? This performance impressed you?!
He proved he is a peck and grab defensive artist, but people should think again before mentioning him in the same breath as all-timers like Robinson, Armstrong and the like...he is a damn good fighter, but not in that league.
One thing I learned tonight...he would NOT beat a prime DLH...he barely eeked out a SD over an old Oscar.Much the same as the golden girl did in his so called victory over old Sweet Pea Whittaker right?

[Valdosta]

Isn't Oscar in his 5th weight class too?
And at almost 2 to 1 the younger PBF was SUPPOSED to have a pretty easy night, wasn't he?
I have no problem with the outcome, but all this gushing about how 'brilliant' Floyd was is pure fantasy.
He edged out a shop worn DeLeHoya - and didn't impress much in doing it IMO.

Oscar's been in the higher weight classes longer. Floyd came up a lot quicker and his frame isn't meant for it as much as it showed with him only weighing 150. Also, 2-1 favorite in boxing isn't that big. Like I said in my thread here Floyd was no lock in this fight. I don't know about brilliant, but Floyd beat the much bigger guy clearly. There's a good reason they didn't show the walk in the ring weights.

[Rebel]

Most people here had it a draw, as did the commentators. I thought Oscar just eeked it out. The vast majority of Gayweather's shots were blocked by De La Hoya's gloves. Not that many clean shots all round, but De La Hoya's were clearly more effective.

I had Mayweather winning a very close fight, but Oscar should've be given made props for doing so well at the age of 34 against the fighter many have rated as the world's best.

[R_jay]

God knows how anyone was impressed with that. It was a decent fight, but I fail to see how it was some fantastic victory for Mayweather. It was a close fight in which Mayweather got the decision, Gayweather was talking like he just slayed King Kong.

[Mark G]

Most people here had it a draw, as did the commentators. I thought Oscar just eeked it out. The vast majority of Gayweather's shots were blocked by De La Hoya's gloves. Not that many clean shots all round, but De La Hoya's were clearly more effective.


Mayweather did a lot of shoe shine punches that didn't do a whole lot.

Then again, BOTH fighters' faces were clean as can be when the final bell sounded.

[R_jay]

I had Mayweather winning a very close fight, but Oscar should've be given made props for doing so well at the age of 34 against the fighter many have rated as the world's best.

I think its safe to say a younger De la Hoya would have won. He relied on the jab, which you can clearly see is'nt as fast or as sharp as back in the day.

[Mark G]

One judge gave it to Oscar outright.
Actually I had it a draw, 114-114.
There wasn't that much to it, to be honest.
Floyd was more accurate and elusive, DLH made the fight - initiated all the action - what there was of it.
Max Kellerman - of course - saw it as a total blow out for Mayweather...I didn't.
I have no problem with a split dec for Floyd, but it was hardly a 'dominant,vituoso performance' as Max put it.


Kellerman's a queer. Of course he saw it that way.

[R_jay]

Mayweather did a lot of shoe shine punches that didn't do a whole lot.

Then again, BOTH fighters' faces were clean as can be when the final bell sounded.

This I agree with. De la Hoya had trouble landing clean, but the vast majority of Mayweather's punches were picked off by De La Hoya's gloves.

[Mark G]

??? This performance impressed you?!
He proved he is a peck and grab defensive artist, but people should think again before mentioning him in the same breath as all-timers like Robinson, Armstrong and the like...he is a damn good fighter, but not in that league.
One thing I learned tonight...he would NOT beat a prime DLH...he barely eeked out a SD over an old Oscar.

True, a prime De la Hoya cleans his clock.

[hazza]

God knows how anyone was impressed with that. It was a decent fight, but I fail to see how it was some fantastic victory for Mayweather. It was a close fight in which Mayweather got the decision, Gayweather was talking like he just slayed King Kong.

i reckon oscar won it

[Keiko]

It was a close match. However, I expected a lot more action.

[TysonFan]

Is anyone going to demand a rematch?

[hockeystl]

Mayweather is wearing the mexican colors and a mariachi sombrero.

This was absolutely hilarious.

[Valdosta]

This was absolutely hilarious.

Yeah it was. Then again ODLH is only a Mexican citizen because he bought it if I remember correctly :lol:

[Mark G]

It was a close match. However, I expected a lot more action.


Too much safety first antics for my taste. You've go two guys making a collective amount that exceeds 45 million dollars, and they both walk away with clean faces. Floyd was the biggest culprit here. De la Hoya tried to make the fight, at least.

Floyd's strategy might have been more effective in attempting to get the W, but it's not a performance that will be etched in my boxing memory, to say the least.

It wasn't a GOAT performance, like Floyd would have you believe.

[Mark G]

This was absolutely hilarious.


I thought it was cool, as a tribute to his uncle Roger, who would wear a sombrero as the Mexican assasin.

[hazza]

whats up with mayweather sr? he looks like the predator

[EBIHARA63]

I think its safe to say a younger De la Hoya would have won. He relied on the jab, which you can clearly see is'nt as fast or as sharp as back in the day.I agree with this,but I could say a prime Whittaker beats Oscar.:555:

[Rabid Kimba]

Correct decision -Again PBF proves he is no runner,immaculate defense and hand speed.Hail PBF:clappy:

You make it sound like Pretty Boy demolished Oscar or something.

Neither one did that much to tell you da truth, neither one was remotely hurt, and if Floyd won, it was not by that much.

:lol:

[Mark G]

whats up with mayweather sr? he looks like the predator


That's exactly what I thought. He's bald on top with those hideous strings of feces hanging off the sides.

He did a pretty good comedic routine, he even talked shit about the decision.

[Mark G]

You make it sound like Pretty Boy demolished Oscar or something.

Neither one did that much to tell you da truth, neither one was remotely hurt, and if Floyd won, it was not by that much.

:lol:


:nod:

[Rabid Kimba]

One judge gave it to Oscar outright.
Actually I had it a draw, 114-114.
There wasn't that much to it, to be honest.
Floyd was more accurate and elusive, DLH made the fight - initiated all the action - what there was of it.
Max Kellerman - of course - saw it as a total blow out for Mayweather...I didn't.
I have no problem with a split dec for Floyd, but it was hardly a 'dominant,vituoso performance' as Max put it.

Max Kellerman is a joke and should be euthanized immediately.

:piss2:

[EBIHARA63]

You make it sound like Pretty Boy demolished Oscar or something.

Neither one did that much to tell you da truth, neither one was remotely hurt, and if Floyd won, it was not by that much.

:lol:He don,t think I am trying to upset do you:lol: ,close fight but PBF IMO deserved the victory.Gee sorry:lol:

[Rabid Kimba]

I thought oscar hit the wall in round 9,and did jack after that.The only rounds I clearly gave to oscar were 2,3 and 7:555:

Come on dude, he clearly won da last round as well.

[Mark G]

Max Kellerman is a joke and should be euthanized immediately.

:piss2:


You "culture of death" liberalism is finally starting to appeal to me.

:wink7:

[Rabid Kimba]

??? This performance impressed you?!
He proved he is a peck and grab defensive artist, but people should think again before mentioning him in the same breath as all-timers like Robinson, Armstrong and the like...he is a damn good fighter, but not in that league.
One thing I learned tonight...he would NOT beat a prime DLH...he barely eeked out a SD over an old Oscar.

Amen.

[EBIHARA63]

Come on dude, he clearly won da last round as well.Yep and rounds 1-11:tongue:

[Rabid Kimba]

He don,t think I am trying to upset do you:lol: ,close fight but PBF IMO deserved the victory.Gee sorry:lol:

No, I also think Mayweather won a very close fight, but it was nothing spectacular, Pretty Boy is very fast and obviously hads great skills but he can't punch worth a fuck against a past-his-prime Oscar, he couldn't carry Sugar Ray Leonard's jockstrap even if da world depended on it.

[Rabid Kimba]

You "culture of death" liberalism is finally starting to appeal to me.

:wink7:

:lol:

[Mark G]

No, I also think Mayweather won a very close fight, but it was nothing spectacular, Pretty Boy is very fast and obviously hads great skills but he can't punch worth a fuck against a past-his-prime Oscar, he couldn't carry Sugar Ray Leonard's jockstrap even if da world depended on it.

Well said. This puts things in perspective. A prime De la Hoya dominates him as well.

[EBIHARA63]

No, I also think Mayweather won a very close fight, but it was nothing spectacular, Pretty Boy is very fast and obviously hads great skills but he can't punch worth a fuck against a past-his-prime Oscar, he couldn't carry Sugar Ray Leonard's jockstrap even if da world depended on it.Couldn,t agree more -PBF is not in the same league as the sugar man :thumb: .In fact PBF would have fits against Pea Whitaker.

[Mark G]

Couldn,t agree more -PBF is not in the same league as the sugar man :thumb: .In fact PBF would have fits against Pea Whitaker.


I hate Whitaker's pitty pat shit, but he was good at pitty patting. In fact, I'd pick him to out-pitty-pat Mayweather.....for sho.

[Valdosta]

Well said. This puts things in perspective. A prime De la Hoya dominates him as well.

Just like he dominated so many other great fighters?

[Mark G]

Just like he dominated so many other great fighters?


:rotf:

Ah fuck. What can I say. I'm not the best person to waive the De la Hoya flag.

[Mark G]

But I'd still go with DLH to win that shit.

[R_jay]

I wonder if Roach will get the additional $500,000 he promised Roach if he won. De l Hoya claims he won, but if he does'nt pay up he's admitting defeat.

[andrew]

lol wtf? DLH was spent after 5 rounds, Mayweather did it with ease 8-4. The majority of you guys need your eyes checked. Great performance by PBF and good effort by DLH.

[R_jay]

Just like he dominated so many other great fighters?

Which is about the same number of great fighters Mayweather dominated.

[Rabid Kimba]

lol wtf? DLH was spent after 5 rounds, Mayweather did it with ease 8-4. The majority of you guys need your eyes checked. Great performance by PBF and good effort by DLH.

...and you need an enema.

:crazy: :lol:

[andrew]

...and you need an enema.

:crazy: :lol:

AND NEW....

[Rabid Kimba]

:lol:

[neo_wolf]

I had it 6-4 and 2 even for floyd.
Im glad i didnt pay for this boring ass fight.

[Valdosta]

Which is about the same number of great fighters Mayweather dominated.

Depends on your definition of great. Regardless, Floyd has still never lost a fight.

[R_jay]

Neither did Sven Ottke.

[Brawler]

I thought Oscar did enough to WIN tonight.

Floyd got credit for BLOCKED punches. Watch the fight again, Left hooks and right hands were BLOCKED by Oscar.

Mayweather should have DOMINATED. No such thing.

[Valdosta]

Sven Ottke never beat any great fighters like Floyd has. What's your point? Not to mentioned Ottke's career was surrounded with controversy, not Floyd's.

[Valdosta]

What 7 rounds did Oscar win tonight? Funny the guy who hates Floyd the most thinks he lost. Wow, I am shocked.

[Valdosta]

Oh and BTW, don't get me wrong it was a competitive fight. Oscar did not win though.

[Brawler]

What 7 rounds did Oscar win tonight? Funny the guy who hates Floyd the most thinks he lost. Wow, I am shocked.

Floyd won these rounds clearly, 1, 8, 10, 11, other than that...

[Valdosta]

Floyd won these rounds clearly, 1, 8, 10, 11, other than that...

So if Floyd didn't win a round clearly it automatically goes to Oscar? You didn't answer the question. What 7 rounds did Oscar win? Funny enough the dumbass judge who actually scored the fight for ODLH gave him round 10.

[Remus]

the expected anti climax with floyd squeaking a victory. let me guess what happens next...they have to have a rematch to resolve the controversy so they can make more money off us saps.

prime dlh destroys the little fuckin bitch.

[Valdosta]

the expected anti climax with floyd squeaking a victory. let me guess what happens next...they have to have a rematch to resolve the controversy so they can make more money off us saps.

prime dlh destroys the little fuckin bitch.

You was going to talk shit no matter what after this fight.....:piss2:

[Remus]

he just beat a faded dlh. stands to reason he would get ripped by a prime one. whats there to argue ? this version of hoya is nothing compared to his prime but floyd right now is as GOOD as he will get. he's at the absolute peak of his career.

it was an ordinary fight which went as i expected it to go except dlh proved better than i thought and floyd not as good as i thought.

i'm glad the WWF fight is over. lets hope they both fuckoff into retirement.

[Valdosta]

What's to argue is that a "prime" ODLH and a "prime" Floyd Mayweather aren't even the same size. Oscar peaked at around 147, Floyd was his best at 130-135. These guys aren't realistically the same weight class. That's also why they didn't bother showing the walk in weight tonight. Floyd walked in the ring at 150, what did oscar walk in at 165 or so? Saying that Floyd is at his prime at 154 (where he only weighed 150), is absolutely fucking silly. Lastly a prime ODLH isn't as strong as he was tonight. When he was at 140 and even 147, his body was leaner. He's always gassed though nothing new there.

[Remus]

dosta say what you will but this was a BS fight. how can floyd say he is anywhere near the best ever when he couldn;t beat dlh in his last fight ? he's a fuckin joke.

[Valdosta]

Huh? He did beat Oscar. Like I said in my thread where I said I couldn't understand why people thought Floyd was a lock, SIZE WILL CATCH UP TO A GUY. Floyd has absolutely no bussiness fighting at 154. Seems clear enough to me when the guy weighs in at 150. At 147 he walked into the ring at 148 or so. The guy could probably still make 140 yet he's getting shit because he didn't "dominate" Oscar?

[Remus]

yes, and i said he would. this was NO surprise to me. i meant beat him WELL. he should have done it far more convincingly. after all...he is the greatest fighter that ever lived isn't he ?

i reiterate that prime DLH rapes the little cunt.

[Valdosta]

Actually this was a surprise to you because Oscar was competitive. It was no surprise to me because I expected nothing less. Oscar has pretty much been competitive with every fighter that he has ever been in the ring with. Floyd won clear at an unatural weight, that's good enough for me. Anyways, bedtime for me, the fight was about what I expected entertainment wise, not that great.

[sanchito]

:sleeping: at this whole fight and spectacle...exactly what I expected...there was absolutely nothing definitive about this fight.

[Ice Black]

Friggin' spoilers :lol:

I just downloaded it.

Cheerz!!

[Remus]

Actually this was a surprise to you because Oscar was competitive.

true, i meant the result wasn;t a surprise. i expected floyd to be better, not oscar to be as competitive. there is a small but significant difference.

and this was a surprise to you cos you picked dlh. who knows why.

[mcb394]

7-5 Mayweather. I actually had it 5-4 Golden boy at one point. Oscar stopped working after round 8.

[hazza]

i had it 115-113 odlh.

[hazza]

interestingly enough, had the first judge correctly scored the final rd for odlh, the fight would have been a draw and odlh would retain the belts. rd12 was clearly oscar's.

as it stands, pbf can hardly claim a runaway victory. de la hoya made him look ordinary.

[Tug]

I had it to Mayweather by 2 scoring 6 rounds to 4 with 2 even. ODLH ran out of steam going down the final 4 rounds with PBF pot shotting his way clear and not getting involved.

At 34 Oscar has other fish to fry with his Golden Boy promotions and a rematch will not turn up a different result. Oscar doesn't have the endurance to go 12 fast rounds now which is what he has to do to keep up with PBF, and that said Oscar has struggled over the distance in previous hard fights i.e. Trinidad. While they were harder fights physically he struggled when he was younger, he hasn't improved with age. I would favour Oscar to have beaten Floyd when in his prime as PBF wouldn't have taken Oscar into the trenches and made the fight physical.

As for PBF has he actually announced his retirement? I'll be interested to see if he does or if he stays retired. He strikes me as someone who will miss the fame and razzmatazz too much. I agree with those who say he doesn't belong at 154 and would favour Mosely over him as Shane seems to have that strength element that Oscar doesn't as well as the speed and power.

[Hut*Hut]

6-4-2, exactly the same as you Tug. In the end, Oscar's stamina has cost him again. It's cost him this fight and I think over his career it's gonna cost him any status as a legit all time great. Interestingly, I didn't see Mayweather doing anything to change the fight whatsoever other than step into the space Oscar left him as he gassed. Absolutely nothing career defining on show from Floyd. In fact to me only one this has been proven by this one in my mind - prime Oscar beats prime Floyd, whether at 135,140,147 or 154.

As an elite fighter Oscar is finished - he should fight a farewell fight (which he deserves) and retire. I dont think his outside interests are to blame for that; I just think age has taken the bounce from his legs and made his shitty stamina even worse. As for Floyd, he still has alot to prove - if he retires now he's gonna down as a waste of talent with a big '?' beside his name in history.

[Ice Black]

Just finished watching the fight (good thing I avoided all the spoilers here hehe).

My final score was 115-110 PBF. I was quiet surprised first judge scored it 115-113 DLH and that it was a split decision.
It's hard to argue with such a difference in landed punches, no matter how much activity there was from DLH.

I doubt PBF will retire, smart decision on the "sports side", bad decision on the "entertaining side" of things.

Cheerz!! :beer:

[lefthooker]

God knows how anyone was impressed with that. It was a decent fight, but I fail to see how it was some fantastic victory for Mayweather. It was a close fight in which Mayweather got the decision, Gayweather was talking like he just slayed King Kong.

:nod: my point exactly.

[lefthooker]

Much the same as the golden girl did in his so called victory over old Sweet Pea Whittaker right?

Actually yes...but you would not have seen me licking his jock with a comment like 'Hail Oscar' after he did it!:tongue:

This was Floyds chance to really shine...didn't happen.

[Remus]

My final score was 115-110 PBF.

:eeeeeky:

happy hour in sunny jerusalem is it bro ? :drunk: :drunk: :drunk:

[Remus]

Actually yes...but you would not have seen me licking his jock with a comment like 'Hail Oscar' after he did it!:tongue:

This was Floyds chance to really shine...didn't happen.

and i dont recall dlh ever saying he ws the greatest fighter that ever lived either.

if thats the performance we can expect from the greatest fighter of all time...well, we're in the wrong fuckin game here.

[hazza]

that commentator was giving me the shits calling it a throw back fight and how it has really revived boxing, one for the ages etc :barf:

[BKING]

Congratulations to Floyd Mayweather, Jr! As I said I would, I admit that I was wrong with my pick. We can never get them ALL right, can we? I had Floyd winning 7-5. I thought it was a close fight. Oscar blew it in rounds 9-11 IMO. That's when he got tired and dispensed with his jab. I thought his key to victory was that left jab. In the early rounds, I thought Oscar was VERY effective when he came forward behind it and forced Floyd to the ropes. When Oscar stopped firing his jab, it gave Floyd more opportunities to throw shots. Either way, I enjoyed this fight. It was HUGE event. Congratulations to Floyd Mayweather for the victory. Congratulations to Oscar De la hoya, for doing as well as he did in making it a good competitive fight.

[Jack1000]

I didn't see it because I was afraid of getting burned for $60,

Sounded while the fight wasn't a classic, it was a lot better than what it could have been. Some may have wanted more, but I think such is unrealistic. You're not going to get Corrales-Castillo I out of these guys if they were to fight 100x. I have been scouting the Net. Most everyone has seen a close fight, with Mayweather winning by 1-3 points. A couple scribes also had it like 2 points for Delahoya because of aggression in a 7-5 fight that has been said could have went either way. Most agree that Delahoya faded in the last 3 rounds, negating the early lead that he might of had.

It looks like the minor mix-up with the corner is just more PR by GBP to stir up interest in a rematch. They go by the names of the fighters on the Master Scoresheet, not the corner color. Here is the latest update:

Jack

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from 15rounds.com

After Minor Mix-Up With Scoring, Mayweather Still Victorious
By Marc Abrams and Gary Herman, Ringside
UPDATED 10:30 PST MAY 5, 2007
After a minor mix-up in scoring was announced, it seems as though Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is still victorious. Barring any other unusual activities, it looks as though Floyd will remain the current WBC 154 champion, after a somewhat stellar performance at the MGM Grand.
Floyd may have not dominated the fight, but it seems as though the majority of press believe he did in fact win the fight.
Richard Shcaefer of Golden Boy Promotions said something to the effect that he will speak to his lawyers to make sure the mix-up did not affect the final scoring of the contest.
As for the fight, I can't imagine anyone would want a refund. The fight played out - for the most part - the way everyone expected it to; Floyd would start slow, but finish strong. Oscar did his part in carrying the contest, by bringing the fight to Mayweather, and although Floyd did not dominate De La Hoya, I think the overwhelming consensus is that Floyd deserved to be crowned the new 154 pound champion.

[Ice Black]

:eeeeeky:

happy hour in sunny jerusalem is it bro ? :drunk: :drunk: :drunk:

I'm actually at work and yeah - too damn sunny :lol:

".......................blabbering nonsense....................delete................ ...................."

Cheerz!!

[Eric0816]

I think Felix Sturm should be more generous than Oscar. He should offer him a rematch for his WBA middleweight belt.:mex:

[Jack1000]

Just finished watching the fight (good thing I avoided all the spoilers here hehe).

My final score was 115-110 PBF. I was quiet surprised first judge scored it 115-113 DLH and that it was a split decision.
It's hard to argue with such a difference in landed punches, no matter how much activity there was from DLH.

I doubt PBF will retire, smart decision on the "sports side", bad decision on the "entertaining side" of things.

Cheerz!! :beer:

Ice,

How could you have a 115-110 card with no point deductions or knockdowns in the fight on a 10-point must scoring system?

Jack

[Ice Black]

Ice,

How could you have a 115-110 card with no point deductions or knockdowns in the fight on a 10-point must scoring system?

Jack

:222:

My bad lol, thanx for banging my head against it :lol: 115-113 I meant


Cheerz!!

[Ice Black]

And Remus - :drunk: - :no: , :rasta: - :nod: (no drinking at work :wink7:)

Cheerz!!

[zboxz]

I had it 116-112 PBF.

Too many rounds Floyd did very little but Oscar did nothing.

I will give Credit to Oscar for beefing his defense way up and not taking many clean shots. But i will give him a jeer for not pressing the much smaller PBF with the jab and bulling him.

PBF outsmarted Oscar by slipping and sliding without running. He even fought much of the fight in the center of the ring taunting Oscar with Oscar not responding.

The cleaner shots came from PBF. Oscar was throwing shots hoping Floyd would run into one.

[Valdosta]

interestingly enough, had the first judge correctly scored the final rd for odlh, the fight would have been a draw and odlh would retain the belts. rd12 was clearly oscar's.

as it stands, pbf can hardly claim a runaway victory. de la hoya made him look ordinary.

Same judge that gave Floyd round 12, gave ODLH round 9 which I do not think he won. The judge who had Oscar winning gave Oscar round 10 which is absurd. Let's not try to talk about scoring mistakes :lol: Floyd won and you are in the big minority having ODLH winning.

[Mark G]

:sleeping: at this whole fight and spectacle...exactly what I expected...there was absolutely nothing definitive about this fight.


You were right dog.

[Mark G]

that commentator was giving me the shits calling it a throw back fight and how it has really revived boxing, one for the ages etc :barf:


WTF? What was he watching?

[Bouffant_Spectacular]

Like I said before:

"Floyd is too fast and too good defensively. He'll be on his bike all night. He may have a few close calls in the early rounds, but by the mid to late rounds, he's going to make DLH look like an old man. Mark my words."

[Valdosta]

Nothing definitive? Floyd won and Oscar lost. Definitive enough I would say. Just because 1 judge couldn't score worth a shit don't mean it wasn't a clear win for Floyd.

[neo_wolf]

Im glad im not the only one who had it 6-4 2 even for floyd.
It was a real shit fight.

[Ludovico]

9-3 Mayweather.

Hate him for being an asshole outside the ring and boring all you want, respect the boxer. He controlled the whole fight against a much bigger opponent in his first fight at his 5th weight class and gloves he never used and were to DLH's advantage.

[TysonFan]

Floyd Jr vs. Oscar 2?

[Rebel]

??? This performance impressed you?!
He proved he is a peck and grab defensive artist, but people should think again before mentioning him in the same breath as all-timers like Robinson, Armstrong and the like...he is a damn good fighter, but not in that league.
One thing I learned tonight...he would NOT beat a prime DLH...he barely eeked out a SD over an old Oscar.
I totally agree. Prime 147 DLH takes him out.

[Rebel]

I think its safe to say a younger De la Hoya would have won. He relied on the jab, which you can clearly see is'nt as fast or as sharp as back in the day.

:thumb:

[Rebel]

What's to argue is that a "prime" ODLH and a "prime" Floyd Mayweather aren't even the same size. Oscar peaked at around 147, Floyd was his best at 130-135. These guys aren't realistically the same weight class. That's also why they didn't bother showing the walk in weight tonight. Floyd walked in the ring at 150, what did oscar walk in at 165 or so? Saying that Floyd is at his prime at 154 (where he only weighed 150), is absolutely fucking silly. Lastly a prime ODLH isn't as strong as he was tonight. When he was at 140 and even 147, his body was leaner. He's always gassed though nothing new there.
DLH at 135-147 beats him. Oscar was top notch in those weight classes. He would be taller, as fast, have a jab, and have more power.

[Valdosta]

Floyd's a better fighter than Oscar. Prime Floyd beats prime Oscar. Floyd's 1 of the best fighters to ever step inside the ring. Feel priveledged to see him fight.

[Rabid Kimba]

Floyd's a better fighter than Oscar. Prime Floyd beats prime Oscar. Floyd's 1 of the best fighters to ever step inside the ring. Feel priveledged to see him fight.

Almost sounds like you wanna suck his cock.

Would you?

:lol:

[zboxz]

What's to argue is that a "prime" ODLH and a "prime" Floyd Mayweather aren't even the same size. Oscar peaked at around 147, Floyd was his best at 130-135. These guys aren't realistically the same weight class. That's also why they didn't bother showing the walk in weight tonight. Floyd walked in the ring at 150, what did oscar walk in at 165 or so? Saying that Floyd is at his prime at 154 (where he only weighed 150), is absolutely fucking silly. Lastly a prime ODLH isn't as strong as he was tonight. When he was at 140 and even 147, his body was leaner. He's always gassed though nothing new there.

I agree 100%

[zboxz]

yes, and i said he would. this was NO surprise to me. i meant beat him WELL. he should have done it far more convincingly. after all...he is the greatest fighter that ever lived isn't he ?

i reiterate that prime DLH rapes the little cunt.

You are still stinging because Zoo quit before PBF got the chance to knock him out.

I am happy for zoo not taking that ass beating. Stay with dancing zoo we still love ya!!!

[Rebel]

Floyd's a better fighter than Oscar. Prime Floyd beats prime Oscar. Floyd's 1 of the best fighters to ever step inside the ring. Feel priveledged to see him fight.
You're on some hardcore crack. I just rewatched the fight and scored it without anyone there to distract me and I had it a draw. However, if you held a gun to my head and asked me to choose a winner, I'd barely give it to PBF. Oscar tried to make the fight and Mayweather landed a ton of glove shots. DLH was extremely competitive and would've defeated PBF at any weight in his prime.

[Rebel]

BTW, PBF is great, but IMO he's not even as great as Oscar or Mosley at this point.

[Valdosta]

You're on some hardcore crack. I just rewatched the fight and scored it without anyone there to distract me and I had it a draw. However, if you held a gun to my head and asked me to choose a winner, I'd barely give it to PBF. Oscar tried to make the fight and Mayweather landed a ton of glove shots. DLH was extremely competitive and would've defeated PBF at any weight in his prime.


PBF>> Oscar :rock: LOL, last night when you said Mayweather barely won I predicted you would have a different stance today. :24: Floyd won the fight clearly. The much smaller guy beat the much bigger guy.

[Valdosta]

BTW, PBF is great, but IMO he's not even as great as Oscar or Mosley at this point.

Greater than both in my eyes. Mosley for sure. With Oscar it depends what means greatness to a person. If fighting a higher level of competition and having controversy all over it is greater than Floyd because he fought better guys, then I guess so. I don't see it that way.

[R_jay]

You are still stinging because Zoo quit before PBF got the chance to knock him out.

I am happy for zoo not taking that ass beating. Stay with dancing zoo we still love ya!!!

:lol:

Did Tszyu fuck your sister? Every post is Tszyu this, Tszyu that. Get over it.

[Ludovico]

LOL @ Rebel.

[Rabid Kimba]

:lol:

Did Tszyu fuck your sister? Every post is Tszyu this, Tszyu that. Get over it.

Bringing up poster's family members as target is a clear sign of weakness on your part.

:no:

[Black Gatti]

Correct decision -Again PBF proves he is no runner,immaculate defense and hand speed.Hail PBF:clappy:

Bravo!

[Black Gatti]

Most people here had it a draw, as did the commentators. I thought Oscar just eeked it out. The vast majority of Gayweather's shots were blocked by De La Hoya's gloves. Not that many clean shots all round, but De La Hoya's were clearly more effective.

That's ridiculous!

The fact that you call him "Gayweather" shows that your opinion is biased & doesn't matter.

[R_jay]

That's ridiculous!

The fact that you call him "Gayweather" shows that your opinion is biased & doesn't matter.

Unlike you I can root against a guy but still offer a reasonably objective decision.

But you're right, it was Mayweather by complete ass-kicking. Not close at all. :whatver:

[R_jay]

Bringing up poster's family members as target is a clear sign of weakness on your part.

:no:

:sleeping:

[Black Gatti]

??? This performance impressed you?!
He proved he is a peck and grab defensive artist, but people should think again before mentioning him in the same breath as all-timers like Robinson, Armstrong and the like...he is a damn good fighter, but not in that league.
One thing I learned tonight...he would NOT beat a prime DLH...he barely eeked out a SD over an old Oscar.

A prime DLH wasn't that big & in that good a shape.

A prime DLH had either way fights w/ Whitaker, Tito, Quartey, Mosley & the other good fighters. So why would he be able to beat PBF in his prime when PBF would be closer to his size & still faster?

[Black Gatti]

Oscar's been in the higher weight classes longer. Floyd came up a lot quicker and his frame isn't meant for it as much as it showed with him only weighing 150. Also, 2-1 favorite in boxing isn't that big. Like I said in my thread here Floyd was no lock in this fight. I don't know about brilliant, but Floyd beat the much bigger guy clearly. There's a good reason they didn't show the walk in the ring weights.

Yep, Floyd walked into the ring at 148 & DLH walked in at 161.

[Black Gatti]

I had Mayweather winning a very close fight, but Oscar should've be given made props for doing so well at the age of 34 against the fighter many have rated as the world's best.

get outta here w/ that!

[Black Gatti]

I agree with this,but I could say a prime Whittaker beats Oscar.:555:

Good point. I think a Prime Whitaker would pitch a shut out against the Golden Bitch.

[Black Gatti]

Just like he dominated so many other great fighters?

lol ... these guys are idiots man. They can't accept that Mayweather beat the Golden Bitch, so they are bringing up everything except what actually happened!!

WTF does DLH in his prime have to do w/ this fight?? ... DLH never dominated a decent fighter, even when he was in his prime!!

[Black Gatti]

Neither did Sven Ottke.

If you hate Floyd so much & can't be neutral or honest, why even discuss him?

[R_jay]

If you hate Floyd so much & can't be neutral or honest, why even discuss him?

:slap:

My point is that an undefeated record is to the be-all and end-all. But I would'nt expect you to understand that.

[EBIHARA63]

Good point. I think a Prime Whitaker would pitch a shut out against the Golden Bitch.Yep,if the 97 version of Whitaker can take him to hell prime Pea wins easily.He never obliged the rematch neither and when questioned whether he thought he had won,all the arrogant punk could say was, a victory for him was better for boxing:whatver: :barf:

[Remus]

keep up the apologies nancy fans. it's been part of your modus operandi since he left 135, things are no different.

someone posted it was 9-3 to nancy ? what a fuckin JOKE.

[handolo]

its funny how people want to give dlh props for being somewhat competitive against a guy fighting at jr.middle for the first time and a guy he out weighed by about 20 lbs. lol



and now oscar's old, oscar's shop worn (like he's been in so many wars), past his prime, why so MANY gave him a shot then??

[andrew]

keep up the apologies nancy fans. it's been part of your modus operandi since he left 135, things are no different.

someone posted it was 9-3 to nancy ? what a fuckin JOKE.

Anyone who scored the fight for DLH is a disgrace, there is no way in the world ANYONE who was watching the fight could give DLH 7 rounds.

[hazza]

Anyone who scored the fight for DLH is a disgrace, there is no way in the world ANYONE who was watching the fight could give DLH 7 rounds.

everyone at my local thought odlh won it

[R_jay]

Its not hard. All you had to do was have Oscar's harder but fewer shots shading one of the close middle rounds and have Oscar eeking out the 12th and when you add up your scorecard De la Hoya is up by a round. But like I said I don't have any problem at all with Mayweather 7-5. Most of the guys I was watching it with (who know their boxing) had it even at 114-114.

[hazza]

Its not hard. All you had to do was have Oscar's harder but fewer shots shading one of the close middle rounds and have Oscar eeking out the 12th and when you add up your scorecard De la Hoya is up by a round. But like I said I don't have any problem at all with Mayweather 7-5. Most of the guys I was watching it with (who know their boxing) had it even at 114-114.

cant argue with 144-114 either, thats fair enough. if judges had the guts to score rounds even in stead of making it mandatory to go to one guy each time, scores would be a lot better. imo, you dont get a round 10-9 unless you clearly won it. if you have two guys throwing heaps, nothing lands, bell rings, then score the rd even. otherwise you have very skewed scores.

[andrew]

everyone at my local thought odlh won it

lol great, a heap of drunks who think they know all there is to know about boxing. No need for judges anymore, lets just get a consensus of fans at pubs.

I was watching the fight with Tam (who scored it for PBF easily), and there was a dude sitting next to us who ended up scoring it a draw and some of the round he gave to DLH were ridiculous. ODLH was a massive fan favourite where I was and I think it wouldve been the same for you.

[Ludovico]

I'm currently living in Mexico, in Sonora. I saw it at a bar and everyone was rooting for Oscar like crazy. By the end of the fight nobody and I mean it, nobody complained about the decision. I agree with Andrew, you have to be an idiot or blinded by hate to score it for DLH.

[Mark G]

I'm currently living in Mexico, in Sonora. I saw it at a bar and everyone was rooting for Oscar like crazy. By the end of the fight nobody and I mean it, nobody complained about the decision. I agree with Andrew, you have to be an idiot or blinded by hate to score it for DLH.


I had a different experience. I was at someone's house and about 2/3 of the people were going to De la Hoya, and some of the people were bitching about the decision, some weren't.

Also, the people who saw the fight live chanted "Bullshit" after the fight was announced for Floyd. So there are some that saw it differently.

Floyd outshined DLH from the outside, but he did it in such an UNbrutal and boring fashion that some believed that he didn't deserve to win. I thought De la Hoya slowed down way to much in rounds 9,10, and 11. But Floyd's safety first shoeshine didn't pick up the action and people were either bored or pissed off as a result.

When you prance around the ring and don't put any hurt on the other guy, even if you put on a boxing clinic, people aren't going to like your performance. That's the bottom line.

[hazza]

When you prance around the ring and don't put any hurt on the other guy, even if you put on a boxing clinic, people aren't going to like your performance. That's the bottom line.


exactly.

its a fight. not a dance or athletic event. people are there to see two guys scrap. i fuckin hate cunts who dance and pick jabs from the outside all night long and don't get in there and fight.

[hazza]

lol great, a heap of drunks who think they know all there is to know about boxing. No need for judges anymore, lets just get a consensus of fans at pubs.

I was watching the fight with Tam (who scored it for PBF easily), and there was a dude sitting next to us who ended up scoring it a draw and some of the round he gave to DLH were ridiculous. ODLH was a massive fan favourite where I was and I think it wouldve been the same for you.

fair comment andrew.

we were pro oscar. but when you have one guy fighting and one guy running, its pretty hard to go for the runner who's too scared to mix it up and earn his money. we're there to see a fight not a track and field exhibition. oscar was bringing the fight the whole night.

i tell you this. if the commissions and promoters are so worried about boxing losing mainsteam appeal, fights like this are the reasons why. you need guys like tyson, tszyu, trinidad, vargas, liston, hagler, foreman, chavez. PUNCHERS. guys who get in there and actually try to ko people, not run and dance and score points while admiring themselves in the mirror about how pretty they are.

bring back the knockout. any fighter, esp heavyweight who does this, will once again get the public fired up about boxing. take it out of the hands of the judges and make it plainly obvious who won.

[Remus]

lol great, a heap of drunks who think they know all there is to know about boxing. No need for judges anymore, lets just get a consensus of fans at pubs.

I was watching the fight with Tam (who scored it for PBF easily), and there was a dude sitting next to us who ended up scoring it a draw and some of the round he gave to DLH were ridiculous. ODLH was a massive fan favourite where I was and I think it wouldve been the same for you.

yeah, screw the judges, lets get brother tam to score every fight. :lol:

there is no way you could have scored that fight 9-3 for the bitch unless you had nancy's teency weency balls hanging off your chin. this was a razor sharp decision with 1-2 points in it either way.

[andrew]

fair comment andrew.

we were pro oscar. but when you have one guy fighting and one guy running, its pretty hard to go for the runner who's too scared to mix it up and earn his money. we're there to see a fight not a track and field exhibition. oscar was bringing the fight the whole night.

i tell you this. if the commissions and promoters are so worried about boxing losing mainsteam appeal, fights like this are the reasons why. you need guys like tyson, tszyu, trinidad, vargas, liston, hagler, foreman, chavez. PUNCHERS. guys who get in there and actually try to ko people, not run and dance and score points while admiring themselves in the mirror about how pretty they are.

bring back the knockout. any fighter, esp heavyweight who does this, will once again get the public fired up about boxing. take it out of the hands of the judges and make it plainly obvious who won.

I understand where you coming from bro, but thing is Floyd ran whilst landing the harder more effective blows. Just because a fighter "brings" the fight doesnt mean he wins. A guy on FB said this which I agree with fully:

"Like I've said before: if a fighter runs, so what?

That's like saying "what else can I do when someone is taller than me?

This fight had months of prep on both sides.

SOMEBODY has seen a Mayweather tape in the Golden Boy camp, I hope.

This isn't a circular track; it's a CONFINED SPACE WITH A 5'8" GROWN MAN INSIDE IT AS YOUR PREY."

Surely DLH knew Floyd would fight from the outside and back up all night, he was outweighed by close to 15lbs come fight time. DLH was just too slow bring effective agression often enough.

The sad thing was, Baldomir was MORE effective at cutting the ring off then DLH.

Im all for bringing back the knockout fighter, maybe even a monetary incentive, but doesnt change the fact Mayweather won by boxing/running, regardless of who brought the fight.

[hazza]

I understand where you coming from bro, but thing is Floyd ran whilst landing the harder more effective blows. Just because a fighter "brings" the fight doesnt mean he wins. A guy on FB said this which I agree with fully:

"Like I've said before: if a fighter runs, so what?

That's like saying "what else can I do when someone is taller than me?

This fight had months of prep on both sides.

SOMEBODY has seen a Mayweather tape in the Golden Boy camp, I hope.

This isn't a circular track; it's a CONFINED SPACE WITH A 5'8" GROWN MAN INSIDE IT AS YOUR PREY."

Surely DLH knew Floyd would fight from the outside and back up all night, he was outweighed by close to 15lbs come fight time. DLH was just too slow bring effective agression often enough.

The sad thing was, Baldomir was MORE effective at cutting the ring off then DLH.

Im all for bringing back the knockout fighter, maybe even a monetary incentive, but doesnt change the fact Mayweather won by boxing/running, regardless of who brought the fight.


fair enough. i respect your position. its good to see a poster who can lay down their point without getting personal, resorting to insults etc. that was a good post and i concede your point that floyd did what he does best, and he came out with the win, popular or not.

[andrew]

yeah, screw the judges, lets get brother tam to score every fight. :lol:

there is no way you could have scored that fight 9-3 for the bitch unless you had nancy's teency weency balls hanging off your chin. this was a razor sharp decision with 1-2 points in it either way.

I said it in reference to the locals at the pub thought DLH won. Theres noway you couldve scored that fight unless you had DLH's balls hanging off your chin. 1-2 points for DLH? Find me 7 rounds for DLH without your rose coloured glasses on.

[Remus]

I said it in reference to the locals at the pub thought DLH won. Theres noway you couldve scored that fight unless you had DLH's balls hanging off your chin. 1-2 points for DLH? Find me 7 rounds for DLH without your rose coloured glasses on.

i scored the fight for floyd first of all. second of all i'll find you one round dlh won that the judges seemed to have overlooked. how about rnd 12 ? or has that been erased from your memory amid the dust in dubbo, the sweat from floyds nuts and the incessant chitter chatter of tams 24 inch mouth ?

:mex:

[andrew]

i scored the fight for floyd first of all. second of all i'll find you one round dlh won that the judges seemed to have overlooked. how about rnd 12 ? or has that been erased from your memory amid the dust in dubbo, the sweat from floyds nuts and the incessant chitter chatter of tams 24 inch mouth ?

:mex:

Newcastle now brother. Maybe should get those eyes checked old man, two of the judges scored the 12th for DLH :D

[Remus]

lol how is brother tam anyhow ? haven;t spoken to him in ages. wish he posted here. i miss the little fucker.

[TIP]

yeah, screw the judges, lets get brother tam to score every fight. :lol:

there is no way you could have scored that fight 9-3 for the bitch unless you had nancy's teency weency balls hanging off your chin. this was a razor sharp decision with 1-2 points in it either way.

I didn't score it but I thought it was going to be very close either way. TIP

[TIP]

I said it in reference to the locals at the pub thought DLH won. Theres noway you couldve scored that fight unless you had DLH's balls hanging off your chin. 1-2 points for DLH? Find me 7 rounds for DLH without your rose coloured glasses on.

A lot of people look at aggression as a big factor in scoring. I always disagreed with the term effective aggression because it implies agression is important. Landing more punches and or effective punches is what counts. Aggression is just a tactic used to help land the punches. Anyway, Oscar did hit Floyd with some good jabs and when he got him on the ropes threw many unanswered blows. That type of thing for some people can automatically score them the round. I didn't score the fight but I thought it was close. I thought Oscar was picking off a lot of Floyd's shots and PBF was short on a lot of punches also. That said, I think PBF landed more clean shots than Oscar. TIP

[Ludovico]

I had a different experience. I was at someone's house and about 2/3 of the people were going to De la Hoya, and some of the people were bitching about the decision, some weren't.

Also, the people who saw the fight live chanted "Bullshit" after the fight was announced for Floyd. So there are some that saw it differently.

Floyd outshined DLH from the outside, but he did it in such an UNbrutal and boring fashion that some believed that he didn't deserve to win. I thought De la Hoya slowed down way to much in rounds 9,10, and 11. But Floyd's safety first shoeshine didn't pick up the action and people were either bored or pissed off as a result.

When you prance around the ring and don't put any hurt on the other guy, even if you put on a boxing clinic, people aren't going to like your performance. That's the bottom line.

Can't say I disagree bro.

Thing is, Floyd was never going to hurt big 147-154 fighters, he wasn't even a hard puncher at 130 where he fought most of his career, the only way he can win is making the bigger fighter fight his fight, stink it out if neccesary.

[Hut*Hut]

A lot of people look at aggression as a big factor in scoring. I always disagreed with the term effective aggression because it implies agression is important. Landing more punches and or effective punches is what counts. Aggression is just a tactic used to help land the punches. Anyway, Oscar did hit Floyd with some good jabs and when he got him on the ropes threw many unanswered blows. That type of thing for some people can automatically score them the round. I didn't score the fight but I thought it was close. I thought Oscar was picking off a lot of Floyd's shots and PBF was short on a lot of punches also. That said, I think PBF landed more clean shots than Oscar. TIP

Totally agree mate. Same thing with the term 'ring generaliship'. Ive been watching boxing 7 years now and I still dont have a fucking clue what that means. Its about the punches that land and the effect they have - nothing else.

[Rabid Kimba]

I'm currently living in Mexico, in Sonora. I saw it at a bar and everyone was rooting for Oscar like crazy. By the end of the fight nobody and I mean it, nobody complained about the decision.

Pinche mentiroso.

:piss2::lol:

[Remus]

Totally agree mate. Same thing with the term 'ring generaliship'. Ive been watching boxing 7 years now and I still dont have a fucking clue what that means. Its about the punches that land and the effect they have - nothing else.

sure, you can't score ring generalship per se but ring generalship facilitates you scoring. imo, this is one of the most beautiful things in all of boxing.

[zboxz]

Ring generalship is an arbitrary term because both fighters can do it at the same time..

PBF loves to duck, dive and counter so yes he did that all night. Oscar (in this fight) needed to come forward and press the action which he did. They both did what they wanted to so I can’t give ring generalship to either.

If you say that ring generalship means that they made the fight then a counter puncher can never have ring generalship.

[Remus]

Ring generalship is an arbitrary term because both fighters can do it at the same time..

PBF loves to duck, dive and counter so yes he did that all night. Oscar (in this fight) needed to come forward and press the action which he did. They both did what they wanted to so I can’t give ring generalship to either.

If you say that ring generalship means that they made the fight then a counter puncher can never have ring generalship.

by ring generalship i am referring to a fighter determining the pace and style of the fight and being able to manipulate his opponent.

so yes, if a counter puncher can force an opponent to be counterpunched then that is ring generalship. if he simply waits and the other guy isn;t drawn into the counterpunching war then that is not ring generalship cos the fighter has not done enuf to force/ cajole/ temp the opponent into his fight.

[Hut*Hut]

sure, you can't score ring generalship per se but ring generalship facilitates you scoring. imo, this is one of the most beautiful things in all of boxing.

very true, but I think the term should be kept away from any discussions of scoring, personally. It facilitates scoring, but so does a long reach and you dont give close rounds to the guy with the longest arms.

[Ludovico]

Pinche mentiroso.

:piss2::lol:

Callate si no te consta, pinchi panzón.

[Jack1000]

Hey!

Here's my summation/scorecard of Mayweather-Delahoya! I thought it was a good fight. Let me know your scorecard:

FIRST TIME VIEWING OF THE FIGHT ON HBO REPLAY:

Summary and Scorecard:

A clear convincing win for Floyd Mayweather. Delahoya flurried in spots, such as the beginning and closing of rounds, but it often was not enough. I had underestimated Floyd's speed and quickness going into this fight. His reflexes were just too sharp. Many of Oscar's punches missed their targets. Floyd's shots were clean, crisp, and sharp. My score:

116-113 Mayweather in rounds 7-4-1.

Breakdown:

Round

1. 9-10 M
2. 10-9 D
3. 9-10 M
4. 10-9 D
5. 9-10 M
6. 10-9 D
7. 10-10
8. 9-10 M
9. 9-10 M
10. 9-10 M
11. 9-10 M
12. 10-9 D

Delahoya takes rounds 2, 4, 6, and 12

Mayweather takes rounds 1, 3, 5, 8-11

Round 7 I had even. Delahoya flurries early, Mayweather controls all mid round action, Delahoya flurries late.

Best case might be 115-113 Mayweather but anything more than that I can't see. This should not have been a split decision. How Tom Kaczmarick could have Delahoya ahead 115-113 especially in a shocking way, giving him round 10 is anyone's guess.

(And this commentary is coming from a Mayweather basher!) hahaha!

Jack

[TIP]

Hey!

Here's my summation/scorecard of Mayweather-Delahoya! I thought it was a good fight. Let me know your scorecard:

FIRST TIME VIEWING OF THE FIGHT ON HBO REPLAY:

Summary and Scorecard:

A clear convincing win for Floyd Mayweather. Delahoya flurried in spots, such as the beginning and closing of rounds, but it often was not enough. I had underestimated Floyd's speed and quickness going into this fight. His reflexes were just too sharp. Many of Oscar's punches missed their targets. Floyd's shots were clean, crisp, and sharp. My score:

116-113 Mayweather in rounds 7-4-1.

Breakdown:

Round

1. 9-10 M
2. 10-9 D
3. 9-10 M
4. 10-9 D
5. 9-10 M
6. 10-9 D
7. 10-10
8. 9-10 M
9. 9-10 M
10. 9-10 M
11. 9-10 M
12. 10-9 D

Delahoya takes rounds 2, 4, 6, and 12

Mayweather takes rounds 1, 3, 5, 8-11

Round 7 I had even. Delahoya flurries early, Mayweather controls all mid round action, Delahoya flurries late.

Best case might be 115-113 Mayweather but anything more than that I can't see. This should not have been a split decision. How Tom Kaczmarick could have Delahoya ahead 115-113 especially in a shocking way, giving him round 10 is anyone's guess.

(And this commentary is coming from a Mayweather basher!) hahaha!

Jack



I watched it last night on HBO for the second time. I scored it 7-5 for Oscar but it was close and could have went the other way or a draw IMO. A few obsevations. Oscar did much better in the first 7 rounds. When Oscar quit using the jab Floyd controlled the action. Many rounds could have went either way. Neither fighter landed many clean punches. The punch stat numbers were B.S. especially having Floyd landing 200+ shots. I watched carefully and most of Floyd's shots were picked off or fell short. Maybe the punch stat guys were influenced by Floyd's speed and fluidness of his punches. I differ in your scorecard on rounds 1-3-7. I have no problem with Floyd winning the fight because it was close. TIP

[Jack1000]

I watched it last night on HBO for the second time. I scored it 7-5 for Oscar but it was close and could have went the other way or a draw IMO. A few obsevations. Oscar did much better in the first 7 rounds. When Oscar quit using the jab Floyd controlled the action. Many rounds could have went either way. Neither fighter landed many clean punches. The punch stat numbers were B.S. especially having Floyd landing 200+ shots. I watched carefully and most of Floyd's shots were picked off or fell short. Maybe the punch stat guys were influenced by Floyd's speed and fluidness of his punches. I differ in your scorecard on rounds 1-3-7. I have no problem with Floyd winning the fight because it was close. TIP

Hey Tip,

Sup? How did you score it on the first viewing?

Jack

[TIP]

Hey Tip,

Sup? How did you score it on the first viewing?

Jack

I didn't score it the first time but thought it could have went either way. TIP

[zboxz]

YOU can NOT possibly give Oscar that last round.

PBF pot shot him for 2 mins and 50 sec.

He would jab to the body and crank a shot to Oscars open chin like 5 or 6 times. Those shots where cleaner then ANYTHING Oscar hit Floyd with all night.

[Remus]

i gave dlh the 12th, in fact i thought he CLEALRY won the 12th. i have only seen the fight once but my initial impression was that floyd missed with most and dlh won the rnd comfortabley.

[EBIHARA63]

i gave dlh the 12th, in fact i thought he CLEALRY won the 12th. i have only seen the fight once but my initial impression was that floyd missed with most and dlh won the rnd comfortabley.
You need glasses if you think Oscar Clearly won round 12.

[Black Gatti]

You need glasses if you think Oscar Clearly won round 12.

I agree.

[The Hitman]

YOU can NOT possibly give Oscar that last round.

PBF pot shot him for 2 mins and 50 sec.

He would jab to the body and crank a shot to Oscars open chin like 5 or 6 times. Those shots where cleaner then ANYTHING Oscar hit Floyd with all night.

correct. thing is its not even speculation- Floyd landed more punches, he landed the cleaner punches, carried the entire round and made DLH miss almost every punch of consequence for 2 minutes and 54 seconds of the round. at the end they exchanged in the last 6 seconds and DLH landed a good punch. that is the round

[Rebel]

I watched it last night on HBO for the second time. I scored it 7-5 for Oscar but it was close and could have went the other way or a draw IMO. A few obsevations. Oscar did much better in the first 7 rounds. When Oscar quit using the jab Floyd controlled the action. Many rounds could have went either way. Neither fighter landed many clean punches. The punch stat numbers were B.S. especially having Floyd landing 200+ shots. I watched carefully and most of Floyd's shots were picked off or fell short. Maybe the punch stat guys were influenced by Floyd's speed and fluidness of his punches. I differ in your scorecard on rounds 1-3-7. I have no problem with Floyd winning the fight because it was close. TIP
:clappy:

[Rebel]

You need glasses if you think Oscar Clearly won round 12.
No. You're Asian, therefore, you need glasses ya tiny blind mouse. :tongue: