Anyone watching 68?

[BJ*]

Cotto doesn't interest me except when he had Malinaggi in the ring to make things interesting...soooo...I may skip FREE boxing and PAY for MMA (of course while DVRing HBO)....the tides are almost shifted for me now...it was always boxing first and MMA as a side treat...now I find myself looking forward to MMA fights far more often...though a REAL interesting fight would trump MMA I suppose...

[Valdosta]

Nope not watching it. Miranda-Green and Vasquez-Marquez are reason enough not to buy UFC.

[Rebel]

:lol: Any recaps from anyone? I heard Sylvia got owned by the Couture.

[Valdosta]

A little bit of legacy enhancing for Chuck Lidell:clappy: :thumb: I would have watched it if not for boxing but it really wasn't that good of an event anyways from what I read.

[Rebel]

A little bit of legacy enhancing for Chuck Lidell:clappy: :thumb: I would have watched it if not for boxing but it really wasn't that good of an event anyways from what I read.
Styles make fights. There's no way Liddel would've been able to do that.

Couture is actually the one who enhanced his legacy.

Funny how one of Chuck's biggest wins was owned in two rounds last night. LOL

[Valdosta]

Styles make fights. There's no way Liddel would've been able to do that.

Couture is actually the one who enhanced his legacy.

Funny how one of Chuck's biggest wins was owned in two rounds last night. LOL

Couture is Chuck's biggest win ....twice. Now people can't really say Couture was shot blah,blah,blah. Of course it helps Couture's legacy but it helps Lidell's as well. Sobral was a B list win for Lidell not 1 of his best.

BTW- Lidell may very well have beaten Silva as well. Fucking Couture DROPPED him early with his hands and had him very hurt. Lidell has a MUCH better standing game than Couture which has been established by now. I bet Brandon Vera is kicking himself in the ass. It was supposed to be him against Sylvia but he wants to much $$$$.

[BJ*]

BTW- Lidell may very well have beaten Silva as well. Fucking Couture DROPPED him early with his hands and had him very hurt. Lidell has a MUCH better standing game than Couture which has been established by now.


that is bullshit talk

The reason Randy is effective with his punching is because you HAVE to worry about his shot. So to say Chuck could have the same success is assinine (at least in the reasoning you present)...Its the same as Randleman KOing Cro-cop...Is his standup better than Fedor's??? Of course not, he is able to land because of his wrestling ability...

[Valdosta]

So Couture didn't win the stand up battle with Sylvia? Lidell would have had a great chance of KOing Sylvia.

[Rene]

Lidell, Vera and of course Cro Cop would have stopped Tim. The shot that Couture caught him was a straight right hand right after a low kick. Couture then went on to outsrike him on the fight with head movement, jab and a straight left followed by a left hook. It was great to see Tim get beat.

Poor Couture gets stopped by Cro Cop for sure though.

[Rebel]

that is bullshit talk

The reason Randy is effective with his punching is because you HAVE to worry about his shot. So to say Chuck could have the same success is assinine (at least in the reasoning you present)...Its the same as Randleman KOing Cro-cop...Is his standup better than Fedor's??? Of course not, he is able to land because of his wrestling ability...
:clappy:

[Valdosta]

Couture should fight Lidell next. After Lidell beat him again it would set up a fight with Cro Cop.:smiles:: Lidell would have KO'ed slow ass Sylvia.

[Rebel]

Couture should fight Lidell next. After Lidell beat him again it would set up a fight with Cro Cop.:smiles:: Lidell would have KO'ed slow ass Sylvia.
Liddel should be a fucking man and do what another dominant LHW did after he ran out of comp. He should take on some of the threats at HW. Ultimately that's what ruined Sylvia, but at least he challenged himself. You gotta give the man some credit.

[Valdosta]

LOL, are you giving Sylvia credit for fighting a smaller guy, who happened to be 43 and coming out of retirement? I think that fight just shows Sylvia's limitations. Lidell don't need to move to heavyweight to fight anyone. He has 1 more loss to avenge so he already has a challenge in the UFC.

[Rebel]

LOL, are you giving Sylvia credit for fighting a smaller guy, who happened to be 43 and coming out of retirement? I think that fight just shows Sylvia's limitations. Lidell don't need to move to heavyweight to fight anyone. He has 1 more loss to avenge so he already has a challenge in the UFC.
I was referring to Sylvia and other fighters who have moved up when they're too good for their division. Chuck has been solid, but other than beating the old man twice, his other victories aren't all that when you look at them. Babalu blows and Ortiz is a chinny fucker.

[Valdosta]

Lidell has a great resume. How can you put down his resume when he beat a long time champion in Lidell and the current heavyweight champion in Couture 2 times? That's just silly. He has good wins all over his record, he has fought the best for years.

BTW- Do you mean Silva and not Sylvia? Yeah Silva moved up and got wrecked, that was real smart. if you can make weight and dominate a division why wouldn;t you? After Lidell fights jackson there's another challenge in the division in Rashad Evans or Lyoto Machida. Lidell really don't need to move up for challenges.

[Rebel]

Lidell has a great resume. How can you put down his resume when he beat a long time champion in Lidell and the current heavyweight champion in Couture 2 times? That's just silly. He has good wins all over his record, he has fought the best for years.

BTW- Do you mean Silva and not Sylvia? Yeah Silva moved up and got wrecked, that was real smart. if you can make weight and dominate a division why wouldn;t you? After Lidell fights jackson there's another challenge in the division in Rashad Evans or Lyoto Machida. Lidell really don't need to move up for challenges.
Yes, I mean Wanderl however you spell his name. I'm too damn lazy to check. LOL

Yes, he got wrecked but at least he tested himself rather than sit and feed on scrubs. Liddel has names but most are tainted in some way or another. Hopefully Rampage can buttslam him again. :dance:

[Valdosta]

Yes, I mean Wanderl however you spell his name. I'm too damn lazy to check. LOL

Yes, he got wrecked but at least he tested himself rather than sit and feed on scrubs. Liddel has names but most are tainted in some way or another. Hopefully Rampage can buttslam him again. :dance:

I don't think most of them are tainted at all. Shit, this is MMA, guys lose more because they aren't matched as carefully. Sobral lost sure, but Couture won. Hell considering Couture is his best 2 wins that is more than a fair trade off. It legitimized his 2 wins over Couture. Tito is chinny. Funny you erased a thread I made about him a long time ago because I called him a chinny Mexican and you argued against it. Considering you erased it you must have been offended in some way but now you say the same thing :slap: Regardless, Tito does recooperate and has had pretty damn good career himself. He just can't beat Chuck. He did beat Wandy though :smiles:: I imagine thgat is why Chuck is so hated on this website. He owned A Mexican American who used to be Champ. There's not to many mexicans in the UFC.

[Rebel]

There's not to many mexicans in the UFC.
The sport is relatively new. Wait until we and the brothers master the ground game. You can already see us coming. :funny: :dance:

[Big Bear]

The sport is relatively new. Wait until we and the brothers master the ground game. You can already see us coming. :funny: :dance:

and you know this MAN!!! lol

Anyways Chuck is not stepping up and there is no way around it Val. Admit it already. Dana "its good to be" White gives Randy a title shot???? How did he earn that? Where is Chucks dare to be great mentality? That should have been Chuck's fight. He could have took this fight and still avenged his loss to Rampage win or lose against Silvia. Now when he does get pressured to fight HW he's going to get owned by Cro Cop.

[Valdosta]

His resume speaks for itself, he don't have to dare to be anything. He already is great. Hey, qaren;t you the guy who picked Tito to beat Lidell? I guess that must have been considered some kind of risk huh?

[Rebel]

His resume speaks for itself, he don't have to dare to be anything. He already is great. Hey, qaren;t you the guy who picked Tito to beat Lidell? I guess that must have been considered some kind of risk huh?
Silva will go down as greater because he dominated his division and then challenged himself at HWY. Let's see Liddel even last against someone like Hunt. Yeah right.

[Valdosta]

SIlva dominated his division? Not in my book he didn't. He went up to heavyweight and got blasted. Losing fights and getting blasted makes a guy great? Not in my book. Not to say Silva isn't great but he's no greater than Lidell whether he took more risks or not. Taking a huge risk and winning, yeah that makes a greater fighter. Taking a risk and getting bashed don't make you greater. Getting bashed by the Pride MIDDLEWEIGHT Champion isn't exactly good for greatness either.

[Rebel]

SIlva dominated his division? Not in my book he didn't. He went up to heavyweight and got blasted. Losing fights and getting blasted makes a guy great? Not in my book. Not to say Silva isn't great but he's no greater than Lidell whether he took more risks or not. Taking a huge risk and winning, yeah that makes a greater fighter. Taking a risk and getting bashed don't make you greater. Getting bashed by the Pride MIDDLEWEIGHT Champion isn't exactly good for greatness either.
Do you think Chuck would've even had half the success Silva had against those HWYs? Shit, he drew with Cro Cop in their first fight and even beat up Liddel's father.

Silva > Liddel always and forever... :clappy:

[Valdosta]

I guess in your opinion but not mine. Like I said Silva was a great fighter but taking big chances alone don't make you greater than another guy unless you win. Silva beat the fuck out of a lot of Japanese cans for a while. He does have great wins over Henderson,Jackson,Sakuraba,Yoshida (razor thin fights)and Arona (although I thought Silva lost clearly). The draw with Cro Cop don't really mean anything. If the fight went the distance it was an automatic draw that was the rules. Cro Cop wasn't really a MMA fighter at the time either, just a kick boxer who later evolved pretty well.

He lost to Arona,Ortiz,Hunt,Belfot,Cro Cop and Henderson

Lidell beat 2 guys who defeated Silva in Belffort and Tito. Avenged his loss to Couture and Horn. He also beat Suloev who is pretty good and Murillo Bustamante although that was a real close fight. He beat Alistair Overeem back when it meant something as well. He also killed Sobral twice. before you going ragging on Sobral about his last loss, keep in mind that after Lidell knocked him the fuck out the first time, Sobral went on to beat Shogun. When Lidell losses to the UFC Middleweight champion maybe I will change my mind but overall I like Lidell's career better.

[Admin]

I guess in your opinion but not mine. Like I said Silva was a great fighter but taking big chances alone don't make you greater than another guy unless you win. Silva beat the fuck out of a lot of Japanese cans for a while. He does have great wins over Henderson,Jackson,Sakuraba,Yoshida (razor thin fights)and Arona (although I thought Silva lost clearly). The draw with Cro Cop don't really mean anything. If the fight went the distance it was an automatic draw that was the rules. Cro Cop wasn't really a MMA fighter at the time either, just a kick boxer who later evolved pretty well.

He lost to Arona,Ortiz,Hunt,Belfot,Cro Cop and Henderson

Lidell beat 2 guys who defeated Silva in Belffort and Tito. Avenged his loss to Couture and Horn. He also beat Suloev who is pretty good and Murillo Bustamante although that was a real close fight. He beat Alistair Overeem back when it meant something as well. He also killed Sobral twice. before you going ragging on Sobral about his last loss, keep in mind that after Lidell knocked him the fuck out the first time, Sobral went on to beat Shogun. When Lidell losses to the UFC Middleweight champion maybe I will change my mind but overall I like Lidell's career better.
The quality of opposition doesn't even compare. Chuck is overrated IMO.

[Valdosta]

The quality of wins is very compareable. While you are right Silva has fought better overall opposition, he lost to them. There's nothing overrated about Lidell, christ he holds 2 KTFO wins over the current UFC Heavyweight Champion.

[Rebel]

The quality of wins is very compareable. While you are right Silva has fought better overall opposition, he lost to them. There's nothing overrated about Lidell, christ he holds 2 KTFO wins over the current UFC Heavyweight Champion.
Wait until Cro Cop gets hold of him. Current no more...

[Valdosta]

I wouldn't bet on it.

[Rebel]

I wouldn't bet on it.
You give Randy a shot?

[Valdosta]

I give Gonzaga a shot, I am not sure Cro Cop gets to Couture. If Gonzaga-Cro Cop hits the ground at ANY time, Cro Cop is in great danger of losing the fight. Couture-Cro Cop would depend if Couture can take him down. Cro Cop has gassed and if Couture could take him down and smother him Cro Cop could gas pretty quickly and it's a 5 round fight. Both of those fights are dangerous for Cro Cop and not the gimme's that some people think they are.

[Big Bear]

Dude, you are digging deep for Liddell arent you! I still can't believe you threw Jeremy Horn's name out there! ha! Talking about Silva getting beat by a middleweight? But you credit Horn as a big name on his resume? At least Henderson is a HOF opponent. (No HORN is not! Maybe at Grapplers Quest.) And Silva has beat Henderson before. Silva had a 20 something win streak going before he lost to a Heavyweight CONTROVERSIAL by the way. Your making me sick with this crap you keep coming up with to justify why Chuck is better when the facts are everywhere for you to see. Chuck is a good fighter but he's not P4P better than Silva and never will be unless he KO's Cro Cop or AA. He had his chance at Silva and couldn't make it past Rampage.

[Rebel]

Dude, you are digging deep for Liddell arent you! I still can't believe you threw Jeremy Horn's name out there! ha! Talking about Silva getting beat by a middleweight? But you credit Horn as a big name on his resume? At least Henderson is a HOF opponent. (No HORN is not! Maybe at Grapplers Quest.) And Silva has beat Henderson before. Silva had a 20 something win streak going before he lost to a Heavyweight CONTROVERSIAL by the way. Your making me sick with this crap you keep coming up with to justify why Chuck is better when the facts are everywhere for you to see. Chuck is a good fighter but he's not P4P better than Silva and never will be unless he KO's Cro Cop or AA. He had his chance at Silva and couldn't make it past Rampage.
:clappy:

[Big Bear]

:clappy:

Thank you sir! I'm on fire! haha

[Valdosta]

Dude, you are digging deep for Liddell arent you! I still can't believe you threw Jeremy Horn's name out there! ha! Talking about Silva getting beat by a middleweight? But you credit Horn as a big name on his resume? At least Henderson is a HOF opponent. (No HORN is not! Maybe at Grapplers Quest.) And Silva has beat Henderson before. Silva had a 20 something win streak going before he lost to a Heavyweight CONTROVERSIAL by the way. Your making me sick with this crap you keep coming up with to justify why Chuck is better when the facts are everywhere for you to see. Chuck is a good fighter but he's not P4P better than Silva and never will be unless he KO's Cro Cop or AA. He had his chance at Silva and couldn't make it past Rampage.

LOL, a bitter Tito fan.When you talk about common opponents Lidell DOES hold the advantage. You can bring up the Jackson fight all you want to but the fact is Lidell beat 2 guys who beat Silva. Sorry but no matter how you spin it if you look at the WINS of each fighter they are pretty even, although I favor Lidell slightly. Silva fought some bigger guys who would have made great wins but he lost. Also, Hunt dropped Silva what, around 3 times? There was nothing controversial about that fight, Hunt won clear. Speaking of controversial decisions that's probably NOT the right angle to go considering I think Silva should have a couple more losses than he has.

BTW- The point about Horn is that Lidell avenged his loss from earlier in his career to prove he was better now. Lidell has several wins better than that 1 though. In the end it is MY OPINION that Lidell is better than Silva. It's not particularly crazy so fuck off. :smiles::

[Valdosta]

Actually threads like this crack me up because Mexicans used to try to use Tito's win over Silva to say he was better than Silva. I didn't mind that. However, Lidell comes along beats Ortiz and Ortiz's daddy (Couture), and it's supposed to be outrageous for Lidell to be better than Silva? Errrr, whatever.

[Big Bear]

OH QUIT IT ALREADY. At least Tito actually beat Silva so we were right to a point. Anyways could Tito beat the Silva of 03-04? Probably not but he had a better chance than Chuck because Silva's an easy target for the takedowns. Chuck on the other hand would be swinging for the fences just like he did with Rampage and we know what happened there. As for Hunt knocking Silva down 3 times?? SO WHAT? What's your point? Hunt out weighed him by 60+lbs (and still didn't KO him)in a speacial rules bout that went the distance. Watch the fight again and you'll see Silva should have got the win. Whens the last time Chuck fought anyone 60lbs heavier than him? Or 15lbs for that matter? Silva has fought everyone and his resume is far better than Chucks and all his rematches. So you fuck off and quit being biased to chuck and learn the definition of P4P. I'm sure if Chuck ran that same gauntlet he'd be worn out just like Silva and be getting KO'd by Anderson Silva right now too. Hey that just may happen in May????

[Valdosta]

Hunt beat Silva very clearly, quit making shit up. So what that Hunt dropped his ass 3 times? You and I both know that how close you come to finishing a fight in Pride is a BIG deal. Hunt won that fight very,very clearly. Sorry but you are just flat out wrong. Lidell is better than Ortiz he has proved it in the ring 2 times now and has a better resume. If Ortiz had a good shot so does Lidell. Silva has quick hands but he is wild and he does leave the openings for a big Lidell counterpunch. Once again, Silva has fought BIGGER guys than Lidell but what happened in those fights? yeah that's right, Silva lost. Now he just got knocked the fuck out by the MW champion. Sucks to fight in the US where they actually drug test I guess. Losses don't make someone better than the other guy. Lidell is dominate at 205, that is all that matters since he can make the weight. Biased? Didn't you pick Tito over Lidell in the rematch? Fool, you are the definition of biased.

[Big Bear]

HUNT beat him very clearly???? Get outta here! So clearly that it was a split decision? The way you view a fight sucks as bad as the way you pick fighters. Like I said Silva was dropped by a man 60lbs heavier than him and NO he wasn't close to being finished either. We are talking about a man who has walked the walk and your boy Liddell who you are "assuming" could do it. Liddell if he was confident in himself would have had the balls to step up and do it but he hasn't so quit making excuses based on your love for him as a fan. Silva just made weight at 205 also so its not that he's outgrown 205 its just that he challenges himself and makes fights for the fans. Not like Chuck who makes fights to be safe. And no one has been more dominate at 205 than Silva so you can throw that Chucks dominate at 205 shit out the window. 20 fights without a loss, that's almost more than chuck has in his career. You think Chuck could have beat HUNT? I KNOW HE WASN"T GOING TO KO HIM? So how would he have won? Would CHuck draw or beat CRO COP? Let me guess? You THINK so right? That's all you can do is think and hope because Chuck will never do it. Hold on to the dream brotha!

[Valdosta]

Yeah Silva was real dominate over guys like Arona and Yoshida. What the hell are you talking about? Silva beat a lot of cans during his winning streak, lots of MMA guys can have a streak like that. At least Yoshida could beat Hunt, unlike Silva. Hunt dropped his ass 3 times which is a hell of a lot more than Silva did in that fight. What did Silva do to win that fight? He clearly lost. I could care less if he was outweighed, Hunt was also a damn novice at the time. Could Chuck beat Cro Cop? Probably not but then again Cro Cop dominated Silva, that fight was a blow out. Regardless when I looked at Lidell's resume and his top WINS they are just as impressive as Silva. Silva was a great fighter but for some reason people think they need to shit on Lidell while sucking Silva's balls. Silva was human just like Lidell.

BTW- Don;t talk about not taking risks. Lidell has avenged 2 of his 3 losses and beaten the UFC Heavyweight Champion.

[Valdosta]

Couture is Chuck's biggest win ....twice. Now people can't really say Couture was shot blah,blah,blah. Of course it helps Couture's legacy but it helps Lidell's as well. Sobral was a B list win for Lidell not 1 of his best.

BTW- Lidell may very well have beaten Silva as well. Fucking Couture DROPPED him early with his hands and had him very hurt. Lidell has a MUCH better standing game than Couture which has been established by now. I bet Brandon Vera is kicking himself in the ass. It was supposed to be him against Sylvia but he wants to much $$$$.


BTW- Going back to this point, Couture completely outstruck Sylvia in round 3. No takedown tries or anything else. He outboxed Sylvia silly.

[Big Bear]

[QUOTE=Valdosta;53395]

BTW- Don;t talk about not taking risks. Lidell has avenged 2 of his 3 losses and beaten the UFC Heavyweight Champion.[/QUOTE

Fighting Horn is a risk to you? You are definitley one of the newer MMA fan's that Dana White has created and brain washed. I can't even talk to you anymore ...ugh!. Lets break it down in boxing terms so you might understand....Its like Miguel Cotto fighting Kelson Pinto because he beat him in the amatuers. And Dana White making you believe since he lost to him like 5 years ago that Horn was this killer that Chuck had to avenge. Stop letting Dana White and the UFC sell you a bunch of crap. Im led to believe that you thought Vernon White was a risk also huh? Like Mickey told Rocky "they was bums!"

[Valdosta]

OK then quit responding to me because you have gotten schooled anyways. I am nowhere near a new MMA fan.You want to know a little secret? The Lidell-Horn odds were EVEN, that fight wasn't considered a mismatch until Chuck destroyed him. Lidell 2 Ortiz 0:dance:

[Big Bear]

[QUOTE=Valdosta;53848]OK then quit responding to me because you have gotten schooled anyways. I am nowhere near a new MMA fan.QUOTE]

HA! Now that's funny.