The best left hook to the body of all-time [Archive]

Rebel

11-28-2003, 09:40 AM

I think Chavez wins this award hands down. Was there ever a better left hook to the body? It was a thing of beauty. He'd throw it on a consistent basis. Not many fighters do that these days. If I were a trainer teaching my fighter the art of body punching, I'd pop in a tape of prime Chavez. graemlins/boxing.gif

Rebel

11-28-2003, 09:41 AM

Look at my avatar. Sanchez had a good left hook as well but didn't come close to throwing it like Chavez.

Popper

11-28-2003, 09:42 AM

Gotta mention Ward, not for all-time, but for recent time, definitely.

MAB can crack that punch too

Rebel

11-28-2003, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by Popper:
Gotta mention Ward, not for all-time, but for recent time, definitely.

MAB can crack that punch too Ward had a great left hook but he didn't throw it as often as Chavez. Chavez threw it as often as Larry Holmes jabbed. graemlins/lol.gif

[ November 28, 2003, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: Rebel ]

alejo

11-28-2003, 09:48 AM

I'll go with Chavez. One thing that always makes me laugh whenever I watch the last round of the first Chavez/Taylor fight, is that when Chavez hurts Taylor with the right hand and he stumbles to the corner, Chavez closes in on him.....and goes to the body a little bit before decking Taylor.

Popper

11-28-2003, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by Rebel:

Ward had a great left hook but he didn't throw it as often as Chavez. Chavez threw it with the same regularity that some fighters throw a jab. I hear you, yet as a fairly "new" fan of boxing (3-4 yrs), I haven't seen enough of Chavez' fights in regularity....

But, if you're telling me he'd throw 20-30 some hooks to the body (if not more) per round.... I'd say that I haven't seen any fighter like that.

Rebel

11-28-2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by Popper:

I hear you, yet as a fairly "new" fan of boxing (3-4 yrs), I haven't seen enough of Chavez' fights in regularity....

But, if you're telling me he'd throw 20-30 some hooks to the body (if not more) per round.... I'd say that I haven't seen any fighter like that. I don't know about 20-30 but he'd often throw about 15-20 left hooks per round. That's just left hooks to the body. :eek: You don't see that these days.

Crocodillo

11-28-2003, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Rebel:

Ward had a great left hook but he didn't throw it as often as Chavez. Chavez threw it as often as Larry Holmes jabbed. graemlins/lol.gif thats a good point..Chaves made a habit of throwing it...but you know I think Ward has to be one of the dumbest fighters of all time...he never thew the hook to the body enough...but when he did..you would always see his opponent get bothered by it..one way or another

Rebel

11-28-2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Crocodillo:

thats a good point..Chaves made a habit of throwing it...but you know I think Ward has to be one of the dumbest fighters of all time...he never thew the hook to the body enough...but when he did..you would always see his opponent get bothered by it..one way or another Yeah that was Ward's money punch. He probably didn't throw it as often because he was slow and his chin wasn't as sturdy. Throwing it too often meant getting countered more often.

Crocodillo

11-28-2003, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Rebel:

Yeah that was Ward's money punch. He probably didn't throw it as often because he was slow and his chin wasn't as sturdy. Throwing it too often meant getting countered more often. but let me show you how dumb Ward is

he was a punching bag against sanchez for like 7 rounds..shit ward didnt even throw a punch..then he throws one bodyshot and its over..LOL..like why didnt he throw one before

then against Burton..he drops him and has him badly hurt in their fight..right before the bell..then he goes out the next round and headhunts

STUPID...ward was one the dumbest fighters out there..nice guy but DUMB

Xplosive

11-28-2003, 10:29 AM

Effectiveness wise: Chavez & Mike McCallum.

Powerwise: Gerald McCllelan. G-man stopped more people with body shots than any fighter I've seen. RJ also has a very powerful body left hook.

Rebel

11-28-2003, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Crocodillo:

but let me show you how dumb Ward is

he was a punching bag against sanchez for like 7 rounds..shit ward didnt even throw a punch..then he throws one bodyshot and its over..LOL..like why didnt he throw one before

then against Burton..he drops him and has him badly hurt in their fight..right before the bell..then he goes out the next round and headhunts

STUPID...ward was one the dumbest fighters out there..nice guy but DUMB He threw the left hook often against Antonio Diaz and I was surprised Diaz didn't fold.

Xplosive

11-28-2003, 10:32 AM

Xplosive

11-28-2003, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Rebel:

He threw the left hook often against Antonio Diaz and I was surprised Diaz didn't fold. Mosley fucked up Diaz to the body though.

Rebel

11-28-2003, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Xplosive:

Mosley fucked up Diaz to the body though. That's because Diaz was a mediocre junior welterweight and much worse at welter.

gregg

11-28-2003, 10:37 AM

if you dont believe in wards left hook ask zab not so super judah...he said it was the hardest punch he ever got hit with...a few more and ward may have dropped him....ward not the best hooker of all time..but one of the best.....chavez what can you say that was one bad mexican overall....what a warrior

Rebel

11-28-2003, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by gregg:
if you dont believe in wards left hook ask zab not so super judah...he said it was the hardest punch he ever got hit with...a few more and ward may have dropped him....ward not the best hooker of all time..but one of the best.....chavez what can you say that was one bad mexican overall....what a warrior greg, do you still think Ward should be inducted into the IBHOF?

Crocodillo

11-28-2003, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Rebel:

That's because Diaz was a mediocre junior welterweight and much worse at welter. wait a sec...Diaz deserves more love..he was a good jr. welter....he didnt last too long in the division though... but he was a champ..i thought fighting margarito at 147 was a stupid career move

Crocodillo

11-28-2003, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Rebel:

greg, do you still think Ward should be inducted into the IBHOF? graemlins/lol.gif

it would be fucked up even if Ward got votes for the hall of fame

Xplosive

11-28-2003, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Rebel:

greg, do you still think Ward should be inducted into the IBHOF? If Rudy Ward even DREAMS about going into the HOF, he better wake up and apologize. :D

Xplosive

11-28-2003, 10:57 AM

Also when Ward had Gatti all but OUT in the 9th round, he head-hunted and allowed Gatti to recover. Then he goes back to the body late in the round and Arturo is ONCE AGAIN almost out. Then the next round Ward does nothing. graemlins/lol.gif

I agree with Croc. Ward wasn't blessed with much of a boxing brain.

Crocodillo

11-28-2003, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Xplosive:
Also when Ward had Gatti all but OUT in the 9th round, he head-hunted and allowed Gatti to recover. Then he goes back to the body late in the round and Arturo is ONCE AGAIN almost out. Then the next round Ward does nothing. graemlins/lol.gif

I agree with Croc. Ward wasn't blessed with much of a boxing brain. ha ha..this is so true..did you see arturo literally give his face to ward to pummel after he got hurt by the bodyshot...gatti getting punched in the face was the best thing that could have happened to him in that round graemlins/lol.gif

gregg

11-28-2003, 05:02 PM

yes ward should be in the hof...i dont care what anyone else says...if a bunch of crackheads can get in who probably only won caused they were to stoned to feel the pain yes ward should go in...go ahead and laugh...hes got more heart than lewis...tyson....judah......not being blessed with the natural ability i think he did great with what he had......wards #1 fan and proud of it...

Xplosive

11-28-2003, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by gregg:
yes ward should be in the hof...i dont care what anyone else says...if a bunch of crackheads can get in who probably only won caused they were to stoned to feel the pain yes ward should go in...go ahead and laugh...hes got more heart than lewis...tyson....judah......not being blessed with the natural ability i think he did great with what he had......wards #1 fan and proud of it... Derrick Jefferson had heart too, but he's still a bum! Ward was a career journeymen, who elevated himself to FRINGE contender status late in his carrer. He was still a mediocre fighter. Who cares if he has more heart than Judah? Zab still shut him out! What, we should reward Mickey for being good at taking ass whoopings? Sorry dumbass, but the HOF is reserved for great FIGHTERS, not club fighters with great heart.

[ November 28, 2003, 06:19 PM: Message edited by: Xplosive ]

Rebel

11-28-2003, 05:21 PM

Xplosive

11-28-2003, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Rebel:

Crackheads? Name one guy in the IBHOF that Ward was better than. This should be good. smile.gif Watch him say Pryor. :D Aaron would have beaten Ward within an inch of his life! Even if he snorted all the coke in the world, Ward would still suck. graemlins/lol.gif

Rebel

11-28-2003, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Xplosive:

Watch him say Pryor. :D Aaron would have beaten Ward within an inch of his life! Even if he snorted all the coke in the world, Ward would still suck. graemlins/lol.gif I think gregg has a point, but if Ward deserves to be inducted so does Antonio Diaz. graemlins/thumb.gif

The Hitman

11-28-2003, 06:01 PM

chavez probably has to take the cake as #1, but joe frazier has to be way up there too. And if you are going to talk about best left hook to the head, then Bob Foster IMO is head and shoulders above the rest as top dog. I think Foster probably had the best overall left hook ever.

Hitman

Michael Matos

11-28-2003, 06:10 PM

Frazier had a good left hook to the body, but mind you Frazier had a good left hook to anywhere. However I have to go with the consensus and lob a vote Chavez's way.

The Hitman

11-28-2003, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Michael Matos:
Frazier had a good left hook to the body, but mind you Frazier had a good left hook to anywhere. However I have to go with the consensus and lob a vote Chavez's way. definitely true about frazier. i also vote for chavez as #1

Hearns had a wicked left to the body when he used it, barrera and tito were also wicked with that left hook to the body

Hitman

neil

11-28-2003, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by Rebel:

Crackheads? Name one guy in the IBHOF that Ward was better than. This should be good. smile.gif Stan Smith, practicioner of the custodial arts.

gregg

11-28-2003, 07:07 PM

ok look in reality i understand all you guys are saying...no he probably isnt hof status quo..yes he was a fringe contender[by the way if pryor hadnt taken a shot outta the bottle when he did alexis would have ko him]...i personally would rather admire a good fighter.. with great heart....no quit in him..no record of drug abuse..no record of spousal abuse..no record of delinquint child support...get my point...the ibhof looks somewhat like a police line up...you want your kids admiring those type of guys...look at sweat pee...maybe morality should count for something in the voting...behavior outside of the ring..i know there are some great guys in the hof and i know people make mistakes...but you should learn from them not keep doing them...i would rather admire a mickey ward who never gets in the hof than a sweat pea who gets in and keeps getting busted for crack...is this clear enough...whats the problem with this ?????

The Hitman

11-28-2003, 07:31 PM

fighters are ranked by their SKILLS and ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE RING.

start another HOF where the athletes are rated on how good a person they were OUTSIDE of their sports and Ward will be a lock, as will many others that were not good enough to get into Halls of Fame that place emphasis on how good they were AT THEIR SPORT/

Hitman

Rebel

11-28-2003, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Neil:

Stan Smith, practicioner of the custodial arts. graemlins/lol.gif

gregg

11-28-2003, 07:45 PM

i understand that completely but how many of these guys have been so good because of natural ability and how many rose to the top because of performance enhancing items or even illegal drugs???? i am not arguing against what you are saying i just think it makes for sad role models... drugs do affect people take away some of there drugs and how good would they really be???????

Valentino

11-28-2003, 08:26 PM

Wilfredo Gomez had one of the best hook to the body too.

Joonie73

12-13-2003, 08:14 AM

Among Asian fighters, Chong-Pal Park, the former super middleweight champion, had the finest left hook to the body I have seen. Powerful & consistent. His finishing hook on Kyung-Min Nah in their 2nd fight literally lifted Nah off the floor.

[ December 13, 2003, 09:16 AM: Message edited by: Joonie73 ]

El Gavilan

12-13-2003, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by Xplosive:
Effectiveness wise: Chavez & Mike McCallum.

Powerwise: Gerald McCllelan. G-man stopped more people with body shots than any fighter I've seen. RJ also has a very powerful body left hook. That is very perceptive about G-Man, and very true as well.

Here are a few to think about:

Joe Frazier
Tommy Morrison - Stopped a lot of fights with body shots.
James J. Jeffries - Broke Fitzsimmons' ribs and broke Tom Sharkey's ribs too. In fact, Sharkey's ribs were protruding from the skin.
Ruben Olivares
Carlos Zarate

For my money, the real, true great left hooker to the body in boxing history is Tony Zale.

[ December 13, 2003, 10:42 AM: Message edited by: El Gavilan ]

El Gavilan

12-13-2003, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Valentino:
Wilfredo Gomez had one of the best hook to the body too. When Gomez was at his best, his under/over combinations were astonishing to watch. I'm unsure that a fighter since then has put that type of attack together as effectively.

El Gavilan

12-13-2003, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by Rebel:
I think Chavez wins this award hands down. Was there ever a better left hook to the body? It was a thing of beauty. He'd throw it on a consistent basis. Not many fighters do that these days. If I were a trainer teaching my fighter the art of body punching, I'd pop in a tape of prime Chavez. graemlins/boxing.gif Chavez's damage was cumulative. For one shot, there's a host of other fighters that are better.

I do agree with your opinion that teaching body punching starts with Chavez in terms of how to vary an attack and break an opponent down. He was/is a complete expert at it.

BedtimeBear

12-13-2003, 10:37 AM

Gomez was masterful at pounding a guy right on the belt, he set up esveral KOs Ive seen with borderline lowblows.

Off the top of my head, Kobayashi, Pintor, and Meza.